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Post by groovergeorge on Oct 25, 2007 17:48:50 GMT -7
As an owner of the Z-28 I think if its totally clean headroom you are after at club level (50-100) then I would not recommend the Z-28. Although an awesome amp,the 28' has a fat,round,somewhat deluxe type tone that starts to break up after 12' on the volume dial. I too have a ghia and i would imagine your junior having just as much clean headroom albeit jangly el84' clean. I would wait for the EZG/EVAN amp or maybe look at getting a Stingray/Stangray. They are one of the good Docs cleanest amps to date. A cheaper option could also be to just get a really efficient speaker with lots of headroom. There are a few guys hear that like the eminence Tonker. If your wanting it for clean country stuff then it could be just the ticket with your ghia. I have actually considered it myself in a 1x12 cab.
Good luck.
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Post by lowbudget on Oct 25, 2007 17:55:51 GMT -7
Hey George,
I appreciate the reply. I actually just got an Avatar G112 loaded with a Tonker and use it some with both the Ghia and the Jr. now, and would probably also use it with the Z-28. Yep, it's loud!
I'm not looking for Twin clean, just wondering if the 28 with the Tonker would offer any advantage over the Jr. with the Tonker.
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Post by Ridgeback on Oct 25, 2007 18:51:43 GMT -7
Never tried a Tonker. I don't notice that much difference in clean headroom between my Maz Jr NR and my Z-28. Quite different tones but about the same clean volume when the Maz is set for max clean and the 28's tone controls are at 12:00 or below.
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Post by groovergeorge on Oct 25, 2007 23:48:22 GMT -7
Hey George, I appreciate the reply. I actually just got an Avatar G112 loaded with a Tonker and use it some with both the Ghia and the Jr. now, and would probably also use it with the Z-28. Yep, it's loud! I'm not looking for Twin clean, just wondering if the 28 with the Tonker would offer any advantage over the Jr. with the Tonker. I'm not sure that getting a Z-28 for a little more clean headroom is going to make all that much difference. I think Ronnie (rcrecelius) might be able to offer some advice on this as he also owns both Z-28,Ghia and used a Tonker at one stage if my memory serves me correctly. Oh by the way, I have been thinking about getting a Tonker and was wondering how much clean and headroom you get out of it before breakup on your Ghia. In other words when on the Volume dial does it start to distort and get dirty. How much louder is it as compared with say a vintage 30?
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Post by fishman on Oct 26, 2007 10:07:10 GMT -7
One vote for the Tonker, it is by nature a clean fat sounding speaker..I have one in my MAZ38 and it sounds great..... I have used it in my Z28 and it adds headroom, albiet more clean volume.. I play all the big three, strat, tele and LP and they all sound good...more marshally with the lester though.. No doubt about it the 28 is a killer platform as I have stated before, if I need more volume I add an Avatar 2-12 cab for 3-12's....BIG sound
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Post by groovergeorge on Oct 26, 2007 17:01:18 GMT -7
George, This may sound counter-intuitive at first, but I'm not sure the Tonker changes the breakup point much on my Ghia (~12:00 with Tele single-coils for me), but it makes it louder at each clean setting up to that point. For me, that helps a lot. You would think it would have to do both, but that's just my impression. Keep in mind that the V30 is already a pretty efficient speaker, so you may not notice as big a difference as if you were using some other speaker. For me it's worth it. +1 karma for that explanation fasteddie. The fact that it gets louder at the same settings as my other speakers like the inefficient greenback but still breaks up at 2' means that it's still very versatile just a lot louder. If it was a totally clean sounding speaker then it wouldn't be much use to me in my roots style. Comments by you and "fishman" appreciated.
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Post by Joey Beverages on Oct 27, 2007 7:18:24 GMT -7
Hey guys, I'm thinking I need something with a little more headroom for when nothing will do but clean. I know clean is subjective and headroom involves several factors, but given the same speaker as a Jr. and tone controls set at 12:00 how will the headroom on the 28 compare to what's available on my Jr. NR? Currently just have a Jr. and a Ghia but sometimes miss that Fender clean sound a little. These sounds may be somewhere inside my Jr. and are just waiting to be coaxed out, but the 3 knob simplicity of the Z-28 sure is appealing. Or, should I just wait for the Evan/EZG? I'd really like to stick with Z's and not have to grab a Hot Rod Deluxe or something. Oh, I have single coil Tele's only. Thanks. Everyone needs at least one '28 in their arsenal of Z amps ;D ;D ;D cheers, eh Joel
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Post by zdogma on Oct 28, 2007 5:52:13 GMT -7
Hey guys, I'm thinking I need something with a little more headroom for when nothing will do but clean. I know clean is subjective and headroom involves several factors, but given the same speaker as a Jr. and tone controls set at 12:00 how will the headroom on the 28 compare to what's available on my Jr. NR? Currently just have a Jr. and a Ghia but sometimes miss that Fender clean sound a little. These sounds may be somewhere inside my Jr. and are just waiting to be coaxed out, but the 3 knob simplicity of the Z-28 sure is appealing. Or, should I just wait for the Evan/EZG? I'd really like to stick with Z's and not have to grab a Hot Rod Deluxe or something. Oh, I have single coil Tele's only. Thanks. Everyone needs at least one '28 in their arsenal of Z amps ;D ;D ;D cheers, eh Joel I agree with Joelthat this is a great addition to any amp arsenal, but I think if you want that classic Fender clean, I'd wait for the EZG (and you get verb!). The Z 28 is a bit more aggressive and midrangey, and the classic blackface "scooped" clean sound will be more the EZG/evan's thing.
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Post by UnclePat on Oct 29, 2007 6:59:40 GMT -7
I must have a weird Z-28. Mine stays really clean, even at 3PM on the volume...if I want it to do that. Rolling back those tone knobs will help (don't forget, they add quite a bit of drive), as well as the usual guitar volume and pick attack approaches.
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Post by dixiechicken on Oct 29, 2007 8:06:26 GMT -7
Wouldn't a Galaxie be an option if you want more clean head-room. 2 6L6-tubes can be plenty loud and clean. Of course I agree with Joel Everyone needs at least one '28 in their arsenal of Z amps ;D ;D ;D Cheers: Dixiechicken
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Post by flem on Oct 29, 2007 8:46:26 GMT -7
It's ture that everyone needs a Z28, God knows how much I love mine! If you want more clean headroom without changing tubes and speakers or adding cabinets I would say wait for the EZG which supposedly will be built around a cleaner sound.
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Post by Joey Beverages on Oct 29, 2007 18:23:56 GMT -7
Wouldn't a Galaxie be an option if you want more clean head-room. 2 6L6-tubes can be plenty loud and clean. Of course I agree with Joel Everyone needs at least one '28 in their arsenal of Z amps ;D ;D ;D Cheers: Dixiechicken +1 for your support ;D btw, the Galaxie is next on my list of Zs ;D ;D ;D cheers, eh! Joel
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