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Post by dixiechicken on Jun 12, 2007 5:10:32 GMT -7
Hi folks - New to this board!
I'm in the market to become "Z-fied".
Presume an open cab with Dr-Z 2x10" speakers.
What would be the sonic differences between a Z-28 and a Route-66. I know the technical differences as described on the Dr-Z website.
Cheers: Dixiechicken
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Post by zdogma on Jun 12, 2007 10:08:13 GMT -7
Hi folks - New to this board! I'm in the market to become "Z-fied". Presume an open cab with Dr-Z 2x10" speakers. What would be the sonic differences between a Z-28 and a Route-66. I know the technical differences as described on the Dr-Z website. Cheers: Dixiechicken The route 66 is bigger sounding with a fat, harmonically rich midrange. It is significantly louder, and has more gain. The Z 28 is a bit clearer sounding, with less mids and less bottom end. The route 66 is similar to a hot rodded JTM 45, the Z28 more like a brown Fender Deluxe.
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Post by Stumpy on Jun 13, 2007 6:31:22 GMT -7
Hey Dixiechicken, welcome aboard...I too was faced with this decision and this is the best solution I have come up with... Seriously, I agree with Zdogma's response and I think you will find most people that have responded to this question in other posts with a similar answer... The 66 is thick\fat and the Z28 has more top end sparkle, They are both cool in there own way.
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Post by dixiechicken on Jun 20, 2007 1:41:42 GMT -7
Thanks guys!
Cheers: Dixiechicken
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Post by Jan on Jun 30, 2007 1:34:37 GMT -7
++ thanks guys. Good data to file away for future G.A.S..
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Post by Stratmeister on Sept 2, 2007 9:03:09 GMT -7
Hmm... just found this thread since I was thinking about a Z28. Now I'm confused though. I was expecting a 6V6 powered amp to get dirty and nasty earlier than a KT-66 amp (i.e. Rt 66). I have a Rt 66, a Maz Jr, and a couple of Ghias all of which I am crazy about.
I was thinking about moving to a Z28 to replace my old Fender blackface Deluxe Reverb. I know different front end and overall platform, but same 6V6 output section. I would not describe it as clear or less mid/bottom, so if that's where the Z28 comes in I might not be barking up the right tree.
Can anyone do a compare for me of a blackface DR to a Z28 with a comparable 1x12 American sounding speaker?
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Post by Joey Beverages on Sept 2, 2007 9:28:32 GMT -7
Z-28 vs. BF DR? I'm inclined to go with the belief the Z-28 is closer to a brown-face Deluxe .... but better ;D I usually run Super Sport or Silhouette thru the Z-28 using a Z 2x10 cab with AC + RC boosts. And, have also used with Z 1x12 cab and enjoyed the results too. ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Stratmeister on Sept 2, 2007 10:21:36 GMT -7
I'm used to a brown and tweed Deluxes as well, and those are also amps I wouldn't call 'sparkly'. More towards the midrange 'brown sound' which is why I'm confused. I would call the blackface amps 'sparkly', especially the 6L6 ones, Super, Pro, etc... Thanks for the response.
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Post by zdogma on Sept 2, 2007 10:41:29 GMT -7
It is definately less bright, and has less of a scooped midrange than a blackface deluxe.
It is clear, very articulate but doesn't have any of the icepick brightness you sometimes get with the BF Fenders. Headroom is similar with similar speakers, but when you crack the tone controls it gets dirty, and midrangey very quickly.
Strangely enough, it almost has a plexi type sound with the tone up.
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Post by Stratmeister on Sept 2, 2007 12:01:48 GMT -7
That's more like what I expected to hear, and definitely more brown-like. The plexi-type reference doesn't surprise me at all BTW, to me a lot of those 60's-early 70's amps can have that reference when control tweaked. Hey, they all came from the same place...
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Post by taswegian on Sept 3, 2007 3:04:04 GMT -7
Hi folks - New to this board! I'm in the market to become "Z-fied". Presume an open cab with Dr-Z 2x10" speakers. What would be the sonic differences between a Z-28 and a Route-66. I know the technical differences as described on the Dr-Z website. Cheers: Dixiechicken The route 66 is bigger sounding with a fat, harmonically rich midrange. It is significantly louder, and has more gain. The Z28 I play has more gain than my 66. It gets pretty nasty in a good way. Great amp. probably just a bias thing and yes it has the 5751 in PI. They sound quite similar and yet totally different. That sounds weird but it's true. The big difference for me is the Z-28's top end is much more sparkley and sweeter. The 66 is just bigger, thicker and meatier. Although the Z28's tone is quite thick as well. It's a very cool amp.
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Post by sudsysul on Sept 9, 2007 8:48:56 GMT -7
If you want the Z28 to give it up earlier, you just go with a 12AX7 vs. the 5751 and things get juicier, fatter, spongier. With the 5751 it's a bit leaner and firmer, but still has big fat tones. The impressive thing about the Z28 to me is the way it holds together on the bass notes. It is NOTHING like a modern Fender Deluxe though, which has that crystaline, scooped thing going.
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Post by fishman on Sept 9, 2007 12:17:17 GMT -7
my 28 can be downright snarley...I like it like that, but back off the tone controls on the amp and it cleans up and gets more manners....if you want it to bark and bite it sure can do that....I can get that "hard days night" chime if i play around with the controls or I can get hendrix on 'wind cries marry" or SRV or or or or .....it can just be the 28 which is great on its own...it is one of my favorites in the Z line....IMHO its a killer amp.... I also run it into 3-12's as I have a 1-12 combo and use a Avatar BB cab with 2-12's....so it can handle the big jobs or just as a 1-12 for a club situation....its right up there with anything I have ever played... you can;t go wrong with the 28..
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Post by fishman on Sept 9, 2007 20:53:28 GMT -7
I may add that I installed a Mullard rect. tube that I got from Nitehawk55 and it make a large difference in tone and overall feel of the amp....then it went back to the Dr. and it came back like the bionic man, "better, faster, stronger than it was before" If you can get your hands on one of those rect.tubes buy one...its a difference that you can really hear...
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Post by Telemanic on Sept 14, 2007 12:20:57 GMT -7
Yeah you will not be happy if your looking for "the" blackface sound of the deluxe rvrb. Thats not to say you wont be Ecstatic with the Z-28 tho!! It's just that to me, they are way different beasts. The 28 does have a fendery quality for sure, maybe "American" tone is a better comparison, especialy with a 5751, ..... a good one. But the 28 is thicker ( no notch in the mids ) therefore browner, and less bright. Or, well, maybe a more accurate description would be that the brightness on the Z is in a different frequency range, which gives it a definate brittish brightness. The bottom is always tight right to max on the volume. To me again, it is not even brown tolex or tweed sounding as much as it is it's "own" thing. If ya want to lean towards fender, big and clean with an o/d then look to the EVAN when it comes out, or for a really TWEED SOUND, the Galaxy. Otherwise try the 28, it's Amazing!! Or for Thicker yet, ... the 66!
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