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Post by gtobill on Jun 5, 2007 3:18:35 GMT -7
I have always loved the Black Crowes tone and I was reading that a lot of their songs were recorded with a tweed tremolux. Can the Z28 do those tones?
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Post by riscado on Jun 5, 2007 7:17:14 GMT -7
from what I understand the z28 could allow to get a close enough sound if well tweaked, not the same, but pretty good... You also have to remember there are a couple of versions of the tweed tremolux, if you are talking about the late 50's version 5G9 (if I recall), than it is basically a tweed deluxe with a long tail phase inverter (same values for the resistors as seen in a bassman), with fixed bias 6V6's and bigger filtering section (4 x 20uf caps housed in a cap can).
Also it had a bigger cab than the tweed deluxe, which contributes to the sound.
The other versions of the tweed tremolux all used paraphase inverters and are cathode biased, so they differ a little. They also have lower voltages I think.
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Post by billyguitar on Jun 5, 2007 8:04:54 GMT -7
I have one of those early Tremoluxes. It sounds much like a Deluxe but it does have a stiffer power supply and won't really do the Neal Young crash and compress thing. I think when people compare the Z28 to a Deluxe they are thinking of the early 60s brown deluxe. I think they're quite different myself. The Z28 is a better sounding amp to me.
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Post by JChance on Jun 5, 2007 9:46:28 GMT -7
I have one of those early Tremoluxes. It sounds much like a Deluxe but it does have a stiffer power supply and won't really do the Neal Young crash and compress thing. I think when people compare the Z28 to a Deluxe they are thinking of the early 60s brown deluxe. I think they're quite different myself. The Z28 is a better sounding amp to me. +1. I think the comparisons between the Z-28 and brown Deluxe are just a general description of the voicings. To my ears, the Z-28 is what a brown Deluxe *wishes* it sounded like. Tigher, fatter bottom end. More musical breakup.. More balanced sound overall. Those brown amps are awesome and certainly have their place. I just think the Z-28 is a better mouse-trap.
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Post by billyguitar on Jun 5, 2007 10:37:18 GMT -7
The normal channel on my brown Super does sound like a Z28, but louder. If you get the chance try one sometime. Most people never plug into the normal channel on these Supers because they want to hear that warbling vibrato, it almost sounds like a Univibe. The normal channel sounds much better.
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Post by fishman on Jun 5, 2007 18:57:00 GMT -7
I can get a great "tweed" thing going on with my 28, if you take the time to find the sound...dont let the "only 3 knobs" thing fool you into thinking these amps are simple...there are frankly simply complex....there are ALOT of tones from those 3 knobs... also, the amp eats pedals well so with the right outboard effects and a great platform to jump off from you should be able to get what you are looking for.....Z28 and a guitar....pretty much any guitar I use it sounds great...a tweak of the knobs and whether its a lester, strat, tele or what have you....the sounds are in there.....I can;t say enough about the 28...I just intstalled a NOS mullard/phillips that I bought from Nitehawk and WOW what a major difference.....it sounded great before but now, to use a very overworked phrase....its Killer now..... I have had most everything over the last 40+ years and Z's are the best of them all....all of my original amps are in for lack of a better term, storage...they simply don;t get played....I never thought I would find anything that would replace those amps.....I keep them now for the sentimental value and frankly the retail value as well......and they sound great...but the Z's cover everything I need them to cover and I think they are only limited by my ability...I know there are sounds in there that I can;t get yet, but I will get them out sooner or later....lol
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Post by (8^D) on Jun 16, 2007 10:37:21 GMT -7
I have always loved the Black Crowes tone and I was reading that a lot of their songs were recorded with a tweed tremolux. Can the Z28 do those tones? Sent ya a PM a few days back, thought I'd drop a line here in case you were 'surfing' and hadn't logged in for a while. Enjoyed meeting you in Austin! Should try a Z-28, think you'll really love it! Keep in touch! Dan
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Post by groovergeorge on Jun 19, 2007 2:04:24 GMT -7
I think speakers play a big part if you are trying to replicate the sounds of particular amps as not only the tube compliment.
I have been running my 28' into a pre-rola greenback which is quite a nice and versatile but found that this speaker really kills it with the carmen ghia even more so. I have a black frame Weber 12a125s (alnico-25 watts) that I will be loading into a single open back cab very soon and I'm really looking forward to hearing that with brighter guitars like a tele and strat.
As far as the tremolux is concerned they ran with a GZ34 in the rectifier section, 2 6l6's in the power, a 12at7,12ax7 then followed by 2 x 7023'. A little different to the Z-28 but with a little tweaking and a cab loaded with 2x10 Oxfords like the old tremolux, I think you be on your way!
Just as a point of interest,I am a big Black Crowes fan as well. Where did you hear that they recorded with a Tremolux? I was always under the impression they used Marshall Jubilee series amps. I'd loved to find out what they used in some of those recordings, I always loved there raw tone.
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Post by Curt on Jun 19, 2007 6:22:02 GMT -7
I thought Mark Ford was a straight up JMP 50 watt Marshall man..................
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Post by billyguitar on Jun 19, 2007 12:18:31 GMT -7
mentioning my tweed tremolux earlier got me interested in putzing around with it. I put in a Celestion Century n-dym speaker and changed the tubes. Holy cow! I'm digging it! loud and crispy. It'll play loud enough to make that speaker cone cry. I swear it's louder than my Deluxes with the same speaker. It seems to have a pretty big transformer and it is fixed bias so very little sag. It's also in the Pro sized cabinet so that helps too. The tremolo thumps too loud to be useable. I had a tech try to sort out the circuit and tune up the caps and resistors about 10 years ago. He said the circuit didn't match any of the schematics so it is an early model still in transition. I think that's why I put it away, I was irritated that the tremolo thumped.
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Post by Curt on Jun 19, 2007 15:23:00 GMT -7
Send it down here Billy..that way it won't bother you quite as much
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Post by Joey Beverages on Jun 19, 2007 19:28:09 GMT -7
Send it down here Billy..that way it won't bother you quite as much any room for my ol' Traynor gear Curt? I'm sure it'll sound better for you than it ever has for me ;D .... but ya gotta play more Allmans with Drew-by
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Post by Curt on Jun 19, 2007 20:46:29 GMT -7
Send it down here Billy..that way it won't bother you quite as much any room for my ol' Traynor gear Curt? I'm sure it'll sound better for you than it ever has for me ;D .... but ya gotta play more Allmans with Drew-by ALWAYS room for EL34's here Joel !!! ;D If'n Drew-by lived in Texas we'd be crankin' out some more ABB every weekend.....that was a BLAST ! Eh?
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Post by gtobill on Jun 20, 2007 11:31:05 GMT -7
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Post by billyguitar on Jun 20, 2007 12:39:00 GMT -7
Tremoluxs are in the bigger square cabinet of the Pro so those must be Deluxes.
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Post by kich on Sept 30, 2007 6:41:42 GMT -7
I just read in Vintage Guitar Mag that he used the Marshall Silver Jubilee and a Fender blackface showman. He goes on to say by Amorica he finally had some money so he started buying random vintage amps, tweed Vibroluxes, a 1971 50-watt Marshall ect. Even though he was buying these old amps he said there engineer had gotten to know Mark Sampson of Matchless fame and bought a # amps from him, and used them to record all of Amorica and Three Snakes. After that he got into Harry Joice for live work and now Headstrong amps. I hope that helps, I got the info from the June 07 Vintage Guitar Mag.
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