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Post by Teleman on Dec 28, 2006 10:40:46 GMT -7
I used to own a 2-10 Z28 but sold it when I started to acquire some of the Dr's EL84 based amps (Maz 18 jr, RXES)
I'm missing the 6V6 tones and thinking of going back to a Z28 and I'm torn between getting the 1-12 or 2-10 combo. I'd like to hear what you Z28's prefer and why. Please refer to 1-12 or 2-10's only as I'm not interested in going toe 2-12 Z Best route.
Thanks in advance for your replies!
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Post by JD on Dec 28, 2006 11:00:07 GMT -7
I started with the 2x10 cabinet and liked how it really could hold the bottom together and stayed clean and chimey. Then I purchased a 1x12 cabinet with a Vintage 30 and this seems to really be my thing now. It breaks up real nice and sounds great on the in between positions on my strat. I play primarily blues and now I am not sure if I will keep the 2x10 cabinet. This video is the 1x12: vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=1556898428If you listen the 2nd guitar solo (following the sax solo) on I Just Want a Little Bit that is the 2x10 cabinet: www.houndstoothblues.com/music/These were recorded with 2 different guitars Lentz SSL on Sweet Home Chicago and a JV Strat with Fralins on I Just Want a Little Bit.
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Post by Joey Beverages on Dec 28, 2006 13:22:04 GMT -7
For me it is all about the 2x10 right now. I had been heavily in the 12 realm for the past 5 years w/ a Twin and a Deluxe Reverb but when I first tried a 28 with the 2x10 I was hooked I find it has enough bass and sweet high-end to keep me happy. then again, I got an old Traynor with 1x15 that I still love to crank ;D
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Post by Joey Beverages on Jan 9, 2007 14:42:28 GMT -7
okay, time for me to back-track a touch on the 2x10 issue ... I've also got a Z 1x12 on order. wooo-hooo! ;D seriously, I'm not worrying about what it comes loaded with ..... it's a Z cab, right? and, yes I am dumping gear to appease the greater power
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Post by JD on Jan 10, 2007 5:51:21 GMT -7
I have really gone overboard - I have the Z28 head with the Z 2x10 cabinet; Z 1x12 cabinet with a Vintage 30; and now the newest in the stable in the Z28 combo with a Greenback. I plan to line them up side by side and give them all a good listen.
So many Zs - too little time.
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Post by taswegian on Jan 10, 2007 18:08:28 GMT -7
I have really gone overboard - I have the Z28 head with the Z 2x10 cabinet; Z 1x12 cabinet with a Vintage 30; and now the newest in the stable in the Z28 combo with a Greenback. I plan to line them up side by side and give them all a good listen. So many Zs - too little time. I think this is the way to go. To me, speakers/cabs have the most dramatic impact on tone. You can get various and very different flavors from the one amp with different speakers and it's alot less money than buying new amps. Every cab I've tried with my 66 made it sound totally different.
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Post by groovergeorge on Jan 11, 2007 5:31:16 GMT -7
I was actually noodling around today with a couple of different speakers and cabs with my Ghia and thinking exactly this. The Ghia is supposed to sound it's best paired with a Celestion blue or old greenie but I just wonder how American voiced it could get if I hooked up a low wattage Weber like a 12a125. Ah the eternal search for that elusive tone. having lots of fun nevertheless and your right Tas, it is a heck of a lot cheaper than buying a dozen amps.
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Post by sudsysul on Jan 11, 2007 7:39:43 GMT -7
"To me, speakers/cabs have the most dramatic impact on tone. You can get various and very different flavors from the one amp with different speakers and it's alot less money than buying new amps."
+1
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Post by jwr on Jan 12, 2007 1:45:22 GMT -7
I've got a 2X10 and 1X12 and both have unique qualities about them. Buy a head and mix and match cabs as your ear and tastes change. This way your not lugging around a 1X12 combo AND a 2X10 ext cab to a gig when all you really wanted was the ext cab for the show. Tas is right, cabs are cheaper than amps. I'm currently digging my Z-28 with my 1X12 cab loaded with a G12H30.
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Post by groovergeorge on Jan 12, 2007 3:33:07 GMT -7
I'd like to dig my RW&B with a Z28 as well!
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Post by StrangeC on Jan 12, 2007 7:53:57 GMT -7
Currently doing the Z28 with a RW&B too.
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Post by dougie on Jan 19, 2007 17:10:53 GMT -7
I've got a 2X10 and 1X12 and both have unique qualities about them. Buy a head and mix and match cabs as your ear and tastes change. This way your not lugging around a 1X12 combo AND a 2X10 ext cab to a gig when all you really wanted was the ext cab for the show. Tas is right, cabs are cheaper than amps. I'm currently digging my Z-28 with my 1X12 cab loaded with a G12H30. I'm new to this forum. I'm a new owner of the Z-28 and I got the 2X10 Z-cab - as a Christmas present to myself. I agree this is the way to go. But I also traded in my 2X12 combo 'cause it was just too damn heavy. Mind you I do love the sound of the 12" Celestion Vintage 30. I've had two combos with this speaker. So that's definately on the wish list for my next cab.
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Post by Joey Beverages on Jan 20, 2007 19:52:22 GMT -7
Hey Dougie - welcome aboard and glad to hear you treated yourself to a fantastic Christmas gift. You ever play out in the west-end .... Etob, Mississauga or Oakville?
cheers
Joel
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Post by sudsysul on Mar 5, 2007 7:28:39 GMT -7
Hey, don't write off a 2X12 cab as an option. This amp will push a big cab no problem. I gigged with my Z28 head and an Avatar 2X12 for about a year and it is loud and full. I've got an old Marshall 4X12 bottom with greenbacks and it sounds big and powerful through that as well. I think a lot of it gets down to how much volume you require. I've got a 1X12 Z cab, and the volume difference between it and a 2X12 is huge. The 2X12 vs. 4X12 is not much difference really, and a 2X12 can give you that big bottom that's missing in smaller cabs.
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Post by texasjim on Mar 5, 2007 12:36:23 GMT -7
I remember Dr. Z's interview where he describes his 2-10 cabs and 10" combo cabs as having the double baffle board, which provides extra "throw" into the room. I wonder why only the 10's are done that way? Does it not work for 12" speakers? Any theories on this?
After I read that, I peeked into my combo box, and sure enough, it has double baffle boards, providing an extra 3/4" of sound travel before it exits the cab.
Huh?
Texas Jim
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Post by billyguitar on Mar 5, 2007 12:56:37 GMT -7
I don't have a Z28 but I do have a Maz38, Stang Ray, Route 66 and a Ghia. They all sound good to me into my Z 2x10 cab with beam blockers. That little cab is very neutral and just does it all for me.
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Post by Curt on Mar 5, 2007 16:59:33 GMT -7
Hey, don't write off a 2X12 cab as an option. This amp will push a big cab no problem. I gigged with my Z28 head and an Avatar 2X12 for about a year and it is loud and full. I've got an old Marshall 4X12 bottom with greenbacks and it sounds big and powerful through that as well. I think a lot of it gets down to how much volume you require. I've got a 1X12 Z cab, and the volume difference between it and a 2X12 is huge. The 2X12 vs. 4X12 is not much difference really, and a 2X12 can give you that big bottom that's missing in smaller cabs. "Lens Technology" Tone ring in the old Fender days. My 1x12 combo's have them, my old square Z cab's do not, the 2x10 did.
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Post by kledbet on Mar 6, 2007 9:50:55 GMT -7
What I have been doing recently on the Z28, and the Maz 18 is to run both the 2x10 cab and a 1x12 cab together. Just use a Y cable (discussed elsewhere in the forum) and if both cabs are 8 ohm then you would use the 4 ohm output jack of your amp. This just seems to produce a big fat sound where all frequencies are in great proportion to each other. Give it at least a try if you can, to me it just seems better than either a 2x10 or 1x12 seperately.
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Post by martymcfly on Mar 8, 2007 20:05:12 GMT -7
What I have been doing recently on the Z28, and the Maz 18 is to run both the 2x10 cab and a 1x12 cab together. Just use a Y cable (discussed elsewhere in the forum) and if both cabs are 8 ohm then you would use the 4 ohm output jack of your amp. This just seems to produce a big fat sound where all frequencies are in great proportion to each other. Give it at least a try if you can, to me it just seems better than either a 2x10 or 1x12 seperately. I'd love to hear this in action, compared to the two cabinets separately. In addition, and I know this isn't common, but I'd love to hear a description (or guesses) of how the Z-28 would sound through a cabinet that has 1-12 and 1-10. On that note, why aren't 10/12 cabinets commonly made? It seems it would solve the dilemma many people have between the two speaker sizes, pulling the best from both worlds. (I should probably post this in the cabinet thread, to not hijack this into a different direction. Sorry. -M)
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Post by kledbet on Mar 8, 2007 21:57:54 GMT -7
There was a time not to long ago that most of use used the same speaker even in a 4x12 cab. I think it was the good Doc who started using 2 different speakers in one cab. For me I just started experimenting with combining the 1x12 and 2x10 cabs together. I have a y cable and I can easily play both cabs seperatly or combine them. Combined the sound is fuller and with greater dimension. Building on the good Doc's idea, I always use different speakers in each cab... except right now my 2x10 has Z speakers. I just encourage everyone to try this... it may not be right for all players, but I will tell you its a great option.
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Post by billyguitar on Mar 9, 2007 9:44:36 GMT -7
The Fender tone ring cab is actually different. It allows the bass from the back of the speaker to come around and exit thru the bigger hole of the second baffle board.
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Post by moewatts on Mar 19, 2007 16:32:42 GMT -7
I tried mine through a 2x12 with Celestion G12H30's. Nice overall tone but not enough blues breakup for my tastes. I just ordered a Celestion Greenback to give it a try in a single 1x12. The Weber Bluedog is great in my Fender Deluxe Reverb and I want to try it with the Z-28 too. I'll let you guys know how it went.
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Post by flem on May 9, 2007 9:51:54 GMT -7
I recently got my Z28 112 w/greenback that was on order for since who knows, when, probably 6 weeks but when you're waiting for an amp it seems like forever, anyhow, I also have a maz jr 210 w/DrZ 10's.
I tried both amps through both cabs to see how each amp sounded through the other speaker(s).
Z28 through open back 210 cab (maz jr) had a little more bright/ snapy/more headroom/articulate.
Z28 though open back 112 greenback (Z28 cab)had a little more bass/rounder/quicker breakup.
The biggest differenc was the 112 broke up a little sooner, but then it is a greenback. I hear the H30 give s a lil more headroom as well.
I prefer the 112 greenback in my Z28 and the Doc's 210's in my maz jr.
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Post by fishman on May 9, 2007 17:17:35 GMT -7
I have a 1-12 combo with a GH12 anniversary replacing a vintage 30...sounds great.... I also have a Avatar 2-12 cab with a 30 and Anniversary......when my back can handle it I run 3-12's....killer sound at ALL volumes from a whisper to a roar it covers it all....
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Post by genobluzgtr on May 11, 2007 15:08:50 GMT -7
My 2X10 Z28 Combo kicks arse. I am normally a 1X12 guy except for my Bassman... those 4X10s are awesome.
I was amazed when I got the Z in that the 10" Z speakers seem to have ALL the great qualities of 10" speakers.... punch, clarity, great smooth mids, cut through the mix so well.... but also seem to magically have the balls and firm bottom end that you normally only get with 12s or 15s.
I tried a couple of 1X12 combos, and the difference in tone/dispersion is noticeable. I much prefer the 2X10s when it comes to Z amps.
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Post by tritone6 on Nov 17, 2007 20:36:54 GMT -7
i just got a Z 2X10 convertible cab. it sounds unreal with my Z28. i have never owned a 10" speaker in my life. i have not been able to stop playing this set-up. i have not even tried taking the back panel off yet, or plugged any of my other amps into the cab. every time i plug in. i just can't stop playing long enough to even try anything else. i still can't believe the tones coming out are coming from me!
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Post by Joey Beverages on Nov 18, 2007 9:16:04 GMT -7
i just got a Z 2X10 convertible cab. it sounds unreal with my Z28. i have never owned a 10" speaker in my life. i have not been able to stop playing this set-up. i have not even tried taking the back panel off yet, or plugged any of my other amps into the cab. every time i plug in. i just can't stop playing long enough to even try anything else. i still can't believe the tones coming out are coming from me! +1 I still believe the '28 with 2x10 is the way to go ... 'course, 4x10 would prolly be twice as cool ;D cheers, eh Joel
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Post by fishman on Nov 18, 2007 17:53:26 GMT -7
I recently changed the original speaker to a RedFang, major improvement. I also changed the rectifier to a NOS Mullard....major improvement. Amp was Killer before this, now, after rehearsal today I am definatly in the market for annother 28. I have my MAZ38 and LP and thats a great rig on its own, but my 28 with my Stratocaster is like tone paradise. I must say that at first I was not overly impressed with the 28 but as I started to play around some and decided I did not have to be so "gentle" all the time if thats a style, this amp really came into its own... I would have to rate this in the top 3 amps I have ever had.
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Post by tritone6 on Nov 22, 2007 22:56:28 GMT -7
i would love to hear a Z28 with a 4X10! ;D
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Post by zdogma on Nov 24, 2007 10:24:38 GMT -7
I recently changed the original speaker to a RedFang, major improvement. I also changed the rectifier to a NOS Mullard....major improvement. Amp was Killer before this, now, after rehearsal today I am definatly in the market for annother 28. I have my MAZ38 and LP and thats a great rig on its own, but my 28 with my Stratocaster is like tone paradise. I must say that at first I was not overly impressed with the 28 but as I started to play around some and decided I did not have to be so "gentle" all the time if thats a style, this amp really came into its own... I would have to rate this in the top 3 amps I have ever had. I had exactly the same experience. I initially was running through an old pair of eminence 10's and it sounded just ok. I put a set of JJ 6V6, and a NOS mullard from nitehawk and switched to a Redfang 12, and WOW. Amazing rock amp. I sold it to a forum member and I think he's running a pretty similar setup.
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