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Post by tdawg on Mar 12, 2010 7:13:36 GMT -7
EGZ-35 Just thought i would throw the idea out there. I really want one of these babys (EGZ-50) to add to the collection but 50 watts is a bit too much firepower for me, never really dug attenuators much either. just planting the seed in your head Dr. Z. ! :>)
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Post by mtlrecords on Mar 12, 2010 7:46:34 GMT -7
That 6L6 power is a big part of the sound though!
If you are going for clean sounds, the EZG can do it at super low levels- no need for an attenuator. If you are going for saturated sounds (similar to cranked Bassman, Vibrolux and Bandmaster amps with a Z-twist) than yeah, the EZG only gives that up at VERY LOUD volumes.
You could throw in a Air Brake...it would work on the EZG, no question with minimal harm to tone.
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Post by gvs on Mar 12, 2010 8:08:28 GMT -7
I would LOVE a smaller version. I do not believe that that an amp like this with vintage tone but current boutique technology in a small package is out there. Many Deluxe Reverb based amps but nothing with the tone quality of the EZG 50!!! ( If there is someone please let me know)
A 2x10 combo weighing in at sub 45lbs with tone qualities like the EZG 50. I would put my order in right now just on spec if the Dr said he was going to develop one.
I am not sure how all the trade offs work to be able to keep the tone, drop some weight and volume, etc, but that's where the Dr's genius will come in. If a bit of the hum was cut out I would even pay a premium?
The Maz 18 success should be a good business model for the Dr to consider. I suspect there is a huge market for a small, portable, "Blackface that never was", which does not blow peoples wigs off and that normal humans can carry up and down a flight of stairs with a guitar in the other hand and a gig bag over the shoulder.
Doc please, please, please, dust of that magic wand, make a trip to the crossroads or do whatever it is you do that gets the magic in those boxes that come out of your workshop and make this your next project.
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Post by ScottStrat on Mar 12, 2010 8:48:21 GMT -7
I would LOVE a smaller version. I do not believe that that an amp like this with vintage tone but current boutique technology in a small package is out there. Many Deluxe Reverb based amps but nothing with the tone quality of the EZG 50!!! ( If there is someone please let me know) A 2x10 combo weighing in at sub 45lbs with tone qualities like the EZG 50. I would put my order in right now just on spec if the Dr said he was going to develop one. I am not sure how all the trade offs work to be able to keep the tone, drop some weight and volume, etc, but that's where the Dr's genius will come in. If a bit of the hum was cut out I would even pay a premium? The Maz 18 success should be a good business model for the Dr to consider. I suspect there is a huge market for a small, portable, "Blackface that never was", which does not blow peoples wigs off and that normal humans can carry up and down a flight of stairs with a guitar in the other hand and a gig bag over the shoulder. Doc please, please, please, dust of that magic wand, make a trip to the crossroads or do whatever it is you do that gets the magic in those boxes that come out of your workshop and make this your next project. If the EZG-50 is Doc's take on the Super, how about a Z version of the Deluxe Reverb. I just started the waiting list and my name is first. ;D
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Post by tdawg on Mar 12, 2010 8:54:02 GMT -7
I was thinking his take on the Vibrolux with the usual Z magic added. Touch smaller power transformer etc than a super, gives up the goods just a bit earlier than the 50 watt. Still pretty darn loud and plenty of clean headroom for most weekend rockers. Maybe even switchable with to rebias with 6V6 for people who want 22 watts.
T
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Post by Curt on Mar 12, 2010 10:06:56 GMT -7
Uh, JAZ 20/40
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Post by English John on Mar 12, 2010 10:22:06 GMT -7
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Post by tdawg on Mar 12, 2010 11:18:53 GMT -7
I hear you the JAZ 20/40 power settings, but it is not based on blackface though right? its more a MAZ /Remedy hybrid with 6V6 tubes?
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Post by Curt on Mar 12, 2010 11:21:37 GMT -7
It's all the Blackface tone one could ask for.
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Post by mtlrecords on Mar 12, 2010 16:39:41 GMT -7
JAZ 20/40 and Z-28 are both in blackface territory.
The other reason that the low powered Fender clone might not be as appealing to Dr. Z is that quite a few other manufacturers make something like you guys described- low power, combo, clean with hair, relatively lightweight.
Victoria- Victorilux, 35210, etc. Wright- 4x10 Bassman 65 Amps- Monterey Headstrong- Verbovibe Greer- Hathaway
Just to name a few off the top of my head. Not to say that something the Doc might make wouldn't be cool- I know it would- but I am just pointing out that between the JAZ, MAZ and Z-28 and the other brands out there, I can understand why the Doc might not offer a low power EZG.
Cheers!
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Post by pintail78 on Mar 13, 2010 21:10:11 GMT -7
i didnt find it that loud, a TS pedal takes well to it so you can add that in and get the tone at a lower volume. i found the ezg-50 more sterile sounding that the blackface gear, and thats what i mainly play.
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Post by tdawg on Mar 16, 2010 9:53:29 GMT -7
i need to try out one of those jaz 20/40 and an egz-50. problem is i am at maximum amp load at the moment, would have to make one walk the plank. tough call.
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Post by Jaguarguy (Mike) on Mar 16, 2010 10:36:53 GMT -7
i need to try out one of those jaz 20/40 and an egz-50. problem is i am at maximum amp load at the moment, would have to make one walk the plank. tough call. T Looks like you got a spare guitar or two in there .. can't play but only one at a time
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Post by mtlrecords on Mar 16, 2010 18:58:16 GMT -7
Or two at a time. Or three at a time...but I rarely do that- only in the studio!
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Post by mrsooty on Mar 18, 2010 17:03:38 GMT -7
I'm with the OP on this. The problem with the Jaz 20/40 is that it's still a big heavy amp, as far I can tell. I have a Maz 18, but would love something slightly smaller with a similar tone to the EZG-50 (the demos I've heard of this amp sound amazing!). A Headstrong Lil King S would be very nice, but Headstrong amps are rather expensive. I'd love it if there was some kind of 6V6 based EZG-20 or something.
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Post by mtlrecords on Mar 19, 2010 7:56:02 GMT -7
As far as weight, the lightest amps I can think of are Carr amps. The Hammerhead is shockingly light. Swart amps are pretty light weight too...
However, the tone is what I care about. Big and heavy usually = TONE!!!
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Post by muzacman02 "Jamie" on Mar 20, 2010 6:03:27 GMT -7
I'm just chiming in, Curt and Brti Invasion are right the jaz40/20 is ala Super meets Princeton/Deluxe! I dont own one but I do own a 67' Super Reverb and The Reverb and Tremelo are THE FINEST IVE HEARD! Cant find a box to match it yet? I considered a EGZ but I already have that covered in a 44 watt version, If you want clean just like mentioned the 6L6 Will give that at lower volumes, and my Super will stay clean til about 7 however I have set to start breaking up earlier cause I use to rock with. I would like to see a Dual CH! AMP! at this point almost any, I realize the economy and the consumer buying is not the best right now buit it will soon, and the doc will step up I can almost assure ya! I like the idea of a Deluxe/Remedy!!! WOW what an amp and at 35 watts would be perfect for me! oh yeah with the same Tremelo/Reverb too!
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Post by mtlrecords on Mar 20, 2010 14:14:55 GMT -7
Muzacman02- if you keep asking for more dual channel amps, you may just get the Doc's attention!!! Cool idea and I know he is not against it totally- the 6545 and the Galaxie are dual channel amps, although the 6545 is out of production.
Here is my take: I think the most useful combination that would appeal to the largest group of players would be something not far off from what you are mentioning here. Ch. 1- Fender Super/EZG type sound and Ch. 2- Remedy/SRZ/Marshall type sound. 40 or 20 watts, combo with 1x12 or 2x12 (Brake Lite), Master Volume that applies to each channel and hey, trem and verb- why not!
The only issue I see with this is that the price might go up substantially from other Z amps. But then again, the JAZ 20/40 combo is over $2k, so it might not be a huge jump.
Still, the EZG-50 rocks on its own merit and even if you own a Super Reverb, the EZG has its own sound a bit different than the Super. Something about the 3-D tone of Z-amps...
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Post by muzacman02 "Jamie" on Mar 22, 2010 6:05:00 GMT -7
Mtlrecords, I have posted several threads about the Channell swithching thing and yes your right that Galaxie is Amazing, But I have the Fender sound, well maybe not the tweed sound but, I would love to see a British or another American Design in CH switching, and most guys who are weeknd warriors and just Side men need anywhere from 20-50 watts Max, But the simplicity of ch switching. The Dual Ch 6V6 with the Remedy Drive OHHH!! MANNN would be awesome! I wouldn't looking at other Manufactures Ch switching amps for sure, But 1 things for sure, The Doc has made soem of the Finest AMPs EVER!!!! I own 2 Of them! Even If I have to have out board gear to go back and forth LOL!!! ))))
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Post by gvs on Apr 9, 2010 8:35:49 GMT -7
I finally have had a chance to research some of the great amps listed in this tread but really there are few 6L6 based amps out there that seem to match up with the desired EZG 35 concept or "Zeebrolux" amp that was mentionned above. I hope the good Doctor considers if this type of amp would fit in his future business plans. 6L6 have a certain something that 6V6's do not and my quick review of the market suggests there may be a gap that the Dr. could help fill.
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