yup
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Post by yup on Jul 14, 2006 7:53:30 GMT -7
Myles,
Per your request, here is the post taken from the locked SRZ sign up list thread, thanks for any info.
Myles, you've got me real interested with the master volume statement. You mentioned the SRZ can perform similar to a Plexi 50 as well as a 2204, how about a 1987x (Somewhat in between the two)? I really like my 1987x however, it's to damn loud for most applications. All of the master volumes ("Rich", "1 Wire", etc.) I've tried don't really cut it for me. If the master volume on the SRZ truly responds as you say, add me to the list. I've got a Z-28 that is perfect volume-wise, however, I'm starting to believe I simply like the Marshall tone better, I can't seem to get my 28 to sound good when I play through it, although other folks sound great through it, perhaps it's simply my playing style (or lack there of). I'd really like to be able to simply use my guitar volume knob for all the shades of clean and dirt I need - will the SRZ perform well in such a capacity? Can I set her and go? Can the SRZ be set at Z-28 volume levels (Z-28 at 3 o'clock) and still deliver the goods?
You also mention Hotel California on the Hell Freezes Over tour. Is the SRZ used on the album of the same name which was released? If so, could you point out any specific passages of interest?
Thanks for any info you can provide to help in this most frustrating endeavor labeled the tone quest.
Yup.
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Post by myles on Jul 14, 2006 10:42:06 GMT -7
Myles, Per your request, here is the post taken from the locked SRZ sign up list thread, thanks for any info. Myles, you've got me real interested with the master volume statement. You mentioned the SRZ can perform similar to a Plexi 50 as well as a 2204, how about a 1987x (Somewhat in between the two)? I really like my 1987x however, it's to damn loud for most applications. All of the master volumes ("Rich", "1 Wire", etc.) I've tried don't really cut it for me. If the master volume on the SRZ truly responds as you say, add me to the list. I've got a Z-28 that is perfect volume-wise, however, I'm starting to believe I simply like the Marshall tone better, I can't seem to get my 28 to sound good when I play through it, although other folks sound great through it, perhaps it's simply my playing style (or lack there of). I'd really like to be able to simply use my guitar volume knob for all the shades of clean and dirt I need - will the SRZ perform well in such a capacity? Can I set her and go? Can the SRZ be set at Z-28 volume levels (Z-28 at 3 o'clock) and still deliver the goods? You also mention Hotel California on the Hell Freezes Over tour. Is the SRZ used on the album of the same name which was released? If so, could you point out any specific passages of interest? Thanks for any info you can provide to help in this most frustrating endeavor labeled the tone quest. Yup. To me, the 1987 is the non master volume plexi Marshall (and later 50 watt JTM-50 in aluminium face). Turn the master all the way up on the SRZ so it is no longer a master volume amp and you are right there. But .... the SRZ will be more touch sensitive (partially due to the vacuum tube rectifier). You can also plug in a solid state rectifier if desired. The other differences you will notice once the tone controls are moved is that they are far more effective than the average Marshall's tone controls. Same for the presence control. The master is very effective ... maybe the best I have used on most any amp. It is an amp that comes most close to "get the tone you want and then master is up or down for level desired". It is a much louder and more agressive amp than a Z-28 just from the tone stack alone. This is tupical Fender vs Marshall where two of these amps at the same wattage show the Marshall as being much louder ... because it is all in the front end: From a bit of past writing: The chart shows the frequency response of a Fender tone stack, a Marshall tone stack and a VOC AC-30 tone stack. The upper most trace is the Marshall amplifier. The lower green trace is the VOX AC-30, and the lower blue trace is the Fender amplifier. All tone controls were set to "5", or the mid point. This does not take into account the speaker or the power amplifier sectiion. This is just the pre-amp section. As you can see, the Marshall has quite a bit of gain in comparison to the other two in this "mid" state. The figure below is a similar trace, controls set to mid point again, but with some reference information related to the guitar as far as what frequencies are in which ranges. Remember that these three tone stacks are used in 95% of the world's guitar and bass amplifiers. On the use by Joe Walsh write Z an email as he may have the details.
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Post by hipfan on Jul 16, 2006 15:28:22 GMT -7
Hey, I have Joe's old SRZ. Maybe I should ask it what the deal was! ;D Actually, I'm glad amps can't talk. Mine would tell some sorry tales. In all seriousness, I can verify that this SRZ does a fantastic Joe Walsh "Funk 49" tone through Greenback-style speakers. I wouldn't doubt he used it for some of the gainier Eagles stuff.
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Post by Curt on Jul 16, 2006 16:48:34 GMT -7
I nearly bought that amp a while back.....
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Post by SG123 on Jul 17, 2006 6:13:04 GMT -7
Myles, Since there are no tone stack frequency response curves shown above for the SRZ-65, are we to assume that the Marshall and the SRZ-65 would have reasonably identical frequency/gain response?
Would that conclusion be based mostly because the sound/response of the two are similar (non-scientific), or that the values of the components and gain structure of the SRZ-65 and Plexi Marshall front ends are close enough that they can be considered "cousins" of each other?
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Post by myles on Jul 17, 2006 9:01:52 GMT -7
Myles, Since there are no tone stack frequency response curves shown above for the SRZ-65, are we to assume that the Marshall and the SRZ-65 would have reasonably identical frequency/gain response? Would that conclusion be based mostly because the sound/response of the two are similar (non-scientific), or that the values of the components and gain structure of the SRZ-65 and Plexi Marshall front ends are close enough that they can be considered "cousins" of each other? The front end response of the Marshall and SRZ are the same.
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