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Post by iggs on Nov 13, 2007 12:23:02 GMT -7
Hey all,
for those who have and use Weber Mass with your Route 66 ... how do you like it?
Ever compared it to Hot Plate?
I'm contemplating getting one but read some reviews on the 'net saying that since it's a reactive type of load, some amps may not respond well to it, just like they may not respond well to some speaker types.
Just wondering if it works well with the '66.
Thanks.
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Post by zdogma on Nov 13, 2007 14:54:35 GMT -7
Hey all, for those who have and use Weber Mass with your Route 66 ... how do you like it? Ever compared it to Hot Plate? I'm contemplating getting one but read some reviews on the 'net saying that since it's a reactive type of load, some amps may not respond well to it, just like they may not respond well to some speaker types. Just wondering if it works well with the '66. Thanks. I haven't used the hotplate, but I have a mini mass which works well with the 66 and I have used an airbrake with it as well, very similar. Its a pretty attenuator friendly amp.
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Post by dixiechicken on Nov 14, 2007 7:36:22 GMT -7
DC here! I have the Weber Minimass 50W model - works fine with the Route66. When you connect the "Mass" you get a slight volume drop - some say it'd 6 db. I would rather say it's closer to 3db - but never mind. The volume drop is NOT the problem - that's why you bought it in the first place. But the response is not quite the same with & without the "Mass". Some of the "in your face feel"/"agressiveness" of the Route gets a little lost in translation. A more civilized Route66 if you will - that's what i feels like - to me at least. Cheers: Dixiechicken!
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Post by kruzty on Nov 14, 2007 7:44:04 GMT -7
When I ran my 66 with an attenuator I found myself turning both tone knobs up - try that to get a little of the nastiness back.
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Post by dixiechicken on Nov 14, 2007 8:02:46 GMT -7
"kruzty" - that's basically what I do too. ;D
At our gigs this weekend - first time with my new Route - I found it pretty easy to compensate for this. Turning the knobs on the amp up a fair bit - and then work the volume & tone controls on the Telecaster to regulate where in the mix to place myself.
The amp still responded fine to this with the "Mass" into the circuit.
Cheers: Dixiechicken!
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Post by John on Nov 14, 2007 8:08:58 GMT -7
I have both a Weber Mass and an Airbrake.
First of all, I don't like the Mass' 6db drop upon insertion. That may be alright for the studio, but not for gigs. The Mass also has a high end loss for the same amount of attenuation. Yes, I know there's a treble boost on the Mass, but it's too much. I also feel the Mass compresses more than I like. With percussive amps like most Dr. Z's, I feel this compression is not a good thing. I didn't know any of this until I got the airbrake.
The Airbrake seems to let more of the high end through, and lets more of the percussion/dynamics come through.
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Post by iggs on Nov 14, 2007 9:14:44 GMT -7
Thanks guys,
I have a Hot Plate and it works fine, I do think that maybe because of the design of the '66, whatever it may be, it does not play well with the Hot Plate ... it just seems to "choke" it a bit. I know that's the downside to attenuation but my other heads seem to behave better with the Hot Plate. Of course, with no Hot Plate, the '66 just blows them all away ... ;D
I was contemplating the Airbrake but I like the fact that Mass can be rackmounted ... I'm thinking of racking all my gear sometime in the future and that may be a good option to have in the rack in case I need an attenuator for studio or live use.
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Post by dixiechicken on Nov 19, 2007 12:05:09 GMT -7
"gtrman3" - DC here!
If you change the radial caps inside the "Mass" - halving the total Farad value you will get a 1,5 dB and a 3 dB treble lift instead.
Cheers: Dixiechicken!
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mudder
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Post by mudder on Dec 1, 2007 8:10:09 GMT -7
Everyone using an attenuator should keep in mind that different frequencies attenuate at different rates, higher freqs drop off faster than lower ones. So if you're going to use any attenuator you should plan on having to turn up your treble.
Also, the change in amplitude (making things quieter) is obviously going to change the tone coming from the speaker itself, it's not moving nearly as much and it's not pushing as much air.
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Post by John on Dec 1, 2007 8:31:18 GMT -7
Mudder...
I know about the different frequencies attenuating at different rates.
But I've done side by side comparisons with the Airbrake and the Mass. So that's what I based my comments on.
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Post by mudder on Dec 1, 2007 17:57:16 GMT -7
No offense meant, just adding some science to the mix.
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Post by John on Dec 2, 2007 7:52:40 GMT -7
I know, I was just letting other know the conditions of what I did.
I see you have 4 posts. We all get along pretty well in here. Even though this is the only forum I participate in, others have said this is the best, and most polite/easygoing forum.
No flaming, no petty fights, no hate.
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Post by fisholot on Dec 2, 2007 9:43:54 GMT -7
I never tried a Weber but I had both an Airbreak and Hotplates and I just like the Hotplates better. But it all depends on what you looking for. What is good for me doesn't make it good for you so the only solution is to try them out and see what works best with your setup and to your ears.
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Post by iggs on Dec 2, 2007 16:58:08 GMT -7
Exactly ... it's all about what works for "you" or "me" ... I was never really happy with the Hot Plate and Route 66, don't know why, can't put my finger on it. Anywhoo, I ended up ordering an Airbrake to go along with my new Z-Best Cab instead of getting a 8 ohm Hot Plate (I have a 16 ohm one).
Hope it works out, was contemplating the Weber mass mostly because it can be rack mounted.
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