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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2007 14:35:52 GMT -7
I was over in the harmony-central user reviews section, and just out of curiosity checked out some Route 66 reviews. Now, I know that some people just dont "get it" but geez.......second review down, the guy gives the 66 a "1" for sound quality stating something along the lines of "its not as sparkly clean as my Fender" (!) Honestly, some of those "reviewers" just blow my mind......
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Post by billyguitar on Jul 13, 2007 15:04:50 GMT -7
I've found that some people, no matter what they read, still have a preconcieved notion of what an amp is going to sound like. Then when they hear it they think they've been tricked. You have to seperate the wheat from the chaff over there for sure.
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Post by bilbal on Jul 13, 2007 15:59:27 GMT -7
I went over to check Harmony Central out this afternoon. From what I experienced, it should definitely not be called "Harmony" anything. I swear I read 10 posts and in everyone of them someone was m*****f****** someone else. Definitely not a place for me - unless I'm in an argumentative mood - LOL bilbal
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Post by Jan on Jul 13, 2007 16:21:38 GMT -7
Too much testosterone, not enough brains.
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Post by trogs on Jul 13, 2007 17:20:52 GMT -7
Amen Brother:
That has gotten very old quickly...
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Post by nitehawk55 on Jul 13, 2007 17:55:39 GMT -7
I don't take a lot of the reviews on there too seriously , a lot of bedroom wanna be's who don't know anything about gear
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Post by dongiesen on Jul 13, 2007 20:07:09 GMT -7
Definately agree. It's just unfortunate in the sense of possibly making a perspective buyer not even wnating to plug in to one at a shop
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Post by billyguitar on Jul 13, 2007 20:26:59 GMT -7
I went over there just now and read thru some of the posts. One of the complainers said he was a forum member here and that his account got deleted. That means he's a crank. Another guy said it had little low end and it was too bright! I've never heard those comments about a 66 before. Another wacko. Some others just wanted an amp that was more versatile. That's fair enough. A swiss-army-amp it ain't. One guy said it wasn't loud enough for his gigs in a Chicago horn band. I used to play in a horn band in the 70s and I had the same volume problems then that I have now, always the pressure to turn down. I don't think it's volume he needs but more highs. The 66 wouldn't be the right amp for him although a 66 would be great for getting the old Terry Kath tone. So what the problem over there is either the guys are cranks or they need a different amp.
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Post by taswegian on Jul 13, 2007 21:00:48 GMT -7
I went over there just now and read thru some of the posts. One of the complainers said he was a forum member here and that his account got deleted. That means he's a crank. Another guy said it had little low end and it was too bright! I've never heard those comments about a 66 before. Another wacko. Some others just wanted an amp that was more versatile. That's fair enough. A swiss-army-amp it ain't. One guy said it wasn't loud enough for his gigs in a Chicago horn band. I used to play in a horn band in the 70s and I had the same volume problems then that I have now, always the pressure to turn down. I don't think it's volume he needs but more highs. The 66 wouldn't be the right amp for him although a 66 would be great for getting the old Terry Kath tone. So what the problem over there is either the guys are cranks or they need a different amp. Or they are running through the wrong speakers for their application. I actually think, with the ef86 front end that handles pedals so well, that if you have a good pedal compliment, this amp can do anything and in fact is extremely versatlile. But I understand if you want it to do that "one" thing it might not be the right amp for "that".
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Post by groovergeorge on Jul 14, 2007 2:53:28 GMT -7
Some of the reviews on that thing are absolute rubbish!!! It always cracks me up when bedroom rocker fools rant on about how their so called killer rig(I'm not going to bad mouth some of the big brand names) absolutely nails it through their whatever quad and how they use it with a Zoom such and such and the killer Buzz saw tone they get and rate everything at 10. Then their are the opposite a$$#oles who will blatantly run down a product because it doesn't sound like their dads Vintage Vox or Fender twin with a Rat or whatever. You have to take those reviews of the Route 66 or the Docs amps like a grain of salt. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, however if you really followed it up with these people who often are just wanna-bees or are too gutless to even leave an email address, then you have to wonder the mentality of some of these idiots. I don't claim to be the guru or enlightened one as I am only 38 and have only been privileged to play some vintage stuff in my earlier years and the occasional piece that comes my way from time to time., but to the pimple squeezing hommies, I sa,y grow a brain and put your energy into productive creativity rather than dissing an amp that is based around an improved legendary design and one of the great rock n roll amps of history.(Marshall JTM-45 bluesbreaker). The Route 66 is an old school amp,it's pure and has an older vibe to it. It's like rubbishing a Shelby Cobra because it doesn't quite perform and handle like a new car. The just don't get it, so why bother with these fools
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Post by dixiechicken on Jul 14, 2007 5:49:09 GMT -7
Between 1985-95 I owned an old Ampeg 100W 2x12" combo rig with a sloppily mounted master-volume at the back - not standard. I bought from our bass player for 200$ who had found in the local newspaper. Our bass player bought from a mechanic for 100$.
This was great deal for all of us except the mechanic maybe. The exact same combo was in the local music store at that time secondhand for 700$.
Any way o lot of local boys wanted to try this old Ampeg, asked me what I had payed for it and thought it sounded great when I played it in our band. Everyone would return the amp after trying it saying that i sounded awful. One night in the rehearsal studio while I was down there one of the other drummers ( not our drummer ) popped down. He listened to me for while and he said: I don't know how the f@@k you do it - the amp sounds great when you play it. Our guitarist tried the other night ( his amp had blown a fuse ) and it sounded like sh@t.
Since I'm not a great guitar player or a great musician - maybe middling decent - this was unexpected. I think it just goes to show that good tone is primarily in your own hands - if you put your mind to it - you should be able to coax a decent tone/sound out of an amp that is less than perfect.
Cheers: Dixiechicken
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Post by prsnstrat on Jul 16, 2007 9:12:43 GMT -7
I was over in the harmony-central user reviews section, and just out of curiosity checked out some Route 66 reviews. Now, I know that some people just dont "get it" but geez.......second review down, the guy gives the 66 a "1" for sound quality stating something along the lines of "its not as sparkly clean as my Fender" (!) Honestly, some of those "reviewers" just blow my mind...... Agreed 100% I am at the point now where I will buy something based on a low score on HC.
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Post by nitehawk55 on Jul 16, 2007 13:38:22 GMT -7
It's important to read reviews on there carefully and you can usually tell the ones who are knowledgable from the ones who are flakes . I do read them at times to get an overall view of a product I might be interested in but in the end you have to draw your own conclusions.
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Post by edoetsch on Jul 16, 2007 19:15:01 GMT -7
Most reviews are all 10's / greatest thing since electricity or complete slagging of the equipement. I think many young users comment on the forum as well. Often (I was one myself) younger players are looking for high levels of overdrive at low volumes to play in the bedroom. My Peavey Backstage Plus always sounded better back in 1986 smeared with overdrive and the mids scooped while playing Guns 'n' Roses covers at 11pm on a Saturday night without waking up Mom. Often you can tell the younger reviewers and give them a break. Find them in the Mega Ultra Metal Pedal with 14 knobs and digital bypass review section as well as the Dr Z section, that might be a clue that they tried the Route 66 in a store and it did not measure up to their modeling amp.
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Post by yarmo on Sept 9, 2007 12:25:23 GMT -7
That's why I felt compelled to write a detailed review of what it can do on HC.
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Post by jwr on Sept 9, 2007 16:07:45 GMT -7
Gotta take everything over there with a grain of salt. I usually read what gear they own or use first, then decide if I want to read there review of a piece of gear. I end up reading a lot less BS that way.
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Post by marsellus on Sept 10, 2007 5:55:30 GMT -7
Gotta take everything over there with a grain of salt. I usually read what gear they own or use first, then decide if I want to read there review of a piece of gear. I end up reading a lot less BS that way. You mean you wouldn't listen to the guy with the gorilla amp and hello kitty strat tell you about a Dr. Z amp? I mean, really, he must know what good tone is.
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Post by Phil (aka Phil) on Sept 10, 2007 6:04:03 GMT -7
I've got a Hello Kitty Mini Strat..... o.k., it's technically my daughter's, not mine. You'd be surprised how good that thing sounds through my Z's. My son has a red Squier Mini Strat, which should be identical except for the paint job, and it doesn't sound near as good.
Phil
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Post by dixiechicken on Sept 10, 2007 7:15:57 GMT -7
Opinions are just opinions - from people you know and respect, you can respect their opinions - but you don't have to agree. I can probably teach a lot of folks here something about wine, but just because I like one particular wine, doesn't mean you have to. But if you know me well enough, then you can decide for yourself whether my recommendation is for you or not. Cheers: Dixiechicken
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Post by jwr on Sept 10, 2007 8:05:38 GMT -7
Gotta take everything over there with a grain of salt. I usually read what gear they own or use first, then decide if I want to read there review of a piece of gear. I end up reading a lot less BS that way. You mean you wouldn't listen to the guy with the gorilla amp and hello kitty strat tell you about a Dr. Z amp? I mean, really, he must know what good tone is. I know, sometimes you can get surprised by a piece of gear. But I use it as a way to weed out some bad reviews. Hello Kitty guitar huh, I'm gonna have to go play one of those! ;D
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Post by John on Sept 10, 2007 8:53:27 GMT -7
I remember the guy who's post/account was deleted. He didn't come to this forum for information or help, he came here to complain. That's all. He was a real ****. He just wanted to yell at the forum members that he thinks his Route 66 sucks.
So that's why his account and post were deleted.
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Post by dixiechicken on Sept 10, 2007 9:48:50 GMT -7
Ohh my ohh my - complaining on the Route66 here in this forum. That calls for capital punishment Seriusly - complaning may be OK if it's backed up whith reasons why you think you have the right to actually complain. I.E. I you think you have legitimate grievance, you should be able to state the reasons, no? (JMO) This is very different from what "gtrman3" describes. Cheers: Dixiechicken
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Post by jwr on Sept 10, 2007 10:17:39 GMT -7
I remember the guy who's post/account was deleted. He didn't come to this forum for information or help, he came here to complain. That's all. He was a real ****. He just wanted to yell at the forum members that he thinks his Route 66 sucks. So that's why his account and post were deleted. I remember that, yeah he really came at all of us. He didn't seem to want answers, just to yell, complain and start trouble in general.
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Post by iggs on Sept 10, 2007 11:43:37 GMT -7
The problem is that most people do not make a distinction between few very different and important cases:
1) I like the amp, it sounds good to me and works within my setup 2) I don't like the amp, it is a good amp, sounds good, but it's just not for me or it does not work within my setup 3) I don't like the amp but since it is a well known amp from a well known builder: a) something is wrong with it or b) see point #2
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Post by marsellus on Sept 12, 2007 5:47:19 GMT -7
I wonder if anyone has called Bill at Klon and told him that they were thinking about getting a klon because they heard it would make their First Act guitar/amp combo pack, fresh from Wal Mart, sound amazing.
That'd be a hilarious review.
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Post by Curt on Sept 12, 2007 7:16:53 GMT -7
I don't read them, I know I have a very unique 'tone zone' and my set up seldom, if ever, would please someone else... But I do LOVE the Route 66.
That's why I buy and sell more crap than anyone else.....in the WORLD !!! LOL
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Post by (8^D) on Sept 13, 2007 13:41:58 GMT -7
Recall him as well and ran across the HC post shortly after his account was terminated. Quite a hostile and rude chap. Forum members, as usual, were trying in earnest to be helpful and even Z jumped in to offer assistance. That chap was definitely NOT looking for assistance/help here... I pop onto HC, TGP, etc to buy/sell stuff...seems to be a waste of time otherwise....too much chaff to wade thru to find the kernels of info. I remember the guy who's post/account was deleted. He didn't come to this forum for information or help, he came here to complain. That's all. He was a real ****. He just wanted to yell at the forum members that he thinks his Route 66 sucks. So that's why his account and post were deleted.
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Post by LeftyLang on Sept 13, 2007 14:00:15 GMT -7
HC reviews are mostly a joke!
This is the only review I took seriously about the Route 66...and it was dead on !!
"Hey Doc,
When Jeff Jourard brought this Route 66 over I was semi-disinterested.....simply because, frankly, I've never played an amp made after 1971 that I could stand. So he plugs it in and $%#^.....immediately the jaws drop, and we start busting out old Strats, old Les Pauls, old SG/LP's ...didn't matter, they ALL sounded great, no, spectacular!. So much compression, sustain, harmonics, touch, AND when you turned down the guitar, that damned amp cleaned up without losing apparent volume to 50 fabulous shades of dirty to semi-dirty to clean.
Anyway, thanks for making the best New amp, period...certainly the Best amp made in at least the last 30 years, and one of the best amps I've ever heard!"
--Mike Fuller, Fulltone
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Post by dixiechicken on Sept 13, 2007 14:50:05 GMT -7
DC here! The user reviews at Harmony-Central are after all personal reviews - so they will differ a lot. You can not look for truth or correctness in any objective sense. If many people think something is good or bad - about a product - you must still judge if this is any way applicable to your situation. As somebody said - take it with a grain of salt - this is not the "gospel" - it's opinions. Cheers: Dixiechicken
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