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Post by riscado on Jun 28, 2007 11:25:22 GMT -7
Ok I'm almost almost going for a route 66, I feel the simplicity of the amp is fabulous, however I need a little push... Being a huge Paul Kossoff/Clapton/Peter Green/Mick Taylor/Allman fan, I must know wether a route 66 can do something close to this. Because these soundsamples yield some very very pleasing tones sound samplesSo the question is can the route 66 do something along these lines? If it can I would definetly prefer to choose it due to it's simplicity and build quality! I'm not fond of comparing amps, more so because I feel the route 66 really should stand on it's own simply based on the design, but after hearing this, I simply got to, so I apologize and kindly ask if someone can answer this question.
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Post by fireball on Jun 28, 2007 12:22:27 GMT -7
Ok I'm almost almost going for a route 66, I feel the simplicity of the amp is fabulous, however I need a little push... Being a huge Paul Kossoff/Clapton/Peter Green/Mick Taylor/Allman fan, I must know wether a route 66 can do something close to this. A few of my favorite players as well! Those players tones were all done with old Marshall amps > Greenback speakers (with the exception of Duane who used JBL's I believe). I own several nice pre '73 Marshall heads and up until recently I owned a Route 66 as well and IMO... a Les Paul > Route 66 > Greenback speakers will do those players tones EXTREMELY well! Still wish I had my Route 66! To my ears, the Route 66 sounds like a cross between a JTM 45 and a JMP Marshall while still having a bit of it's own sonic thing happening as well. But no question about it - a Route 66 is a GREAT choice for those old school Marshall type of tones. I say go for it! ;D
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Post by riscado on Jun 28, 2007 13:04:22 GMT -7
maybe it's just me, I haven't heard a route 66 in person yet, I'm saving up for one as we speak, but I'm guessing the simple ef86 plate driven tonestack, with the ultra linear non-negative feedback output stage will yield a cross between a jtm45 and super bass (ala duane allman) tones, plus "it's own thing" too like you said... actually I'm more interested in the "it's own thing" because if I wanted just marshall than that would be what I would buy... I feel like going for the route because of it's ability to do all the players tones I mentioned, but also the fact that it is quite unique... That's why I needed confirmation! Thanks for the great reply
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Post by fireball on Jun 28, 2007 14:38:31 GMT -7
Wow... I can't begin to comment on how the EF86 tone stack or ultra-linear non-negative feedback output stage effect the tone I hear .... To my ears, the Route 66's "own sonic thing" is - while still having a lot of the qualities of an old Marshall, it operates with less of a dynamic range between lows and highs than an old Marshall. It's voiced a bit darker and with more midrange happening regardless of how the tone controls are set as well. The tone controls only add Bass & Treble up until noon and settings beyond that add gain to those respective frequencies - a feature of the amp that I really love! The 66 always sounds "fat" no matter if it's run at low volume or high volume. Obviously, speakers and cabinet choice will have a big impact on the tone of the amp as well. In short, if you want an amp that is not exactly a Marshall - but still sits squarely in the same ballpark tonally... then I think the Route 66 is a great way to go! I always loved playing my Route 66 in place of my old Marshall amps for anything you'd typically use an old Marshall amp for. Ultimately, it's something you really have to play and experience yourself to truly understand. But based upon what I've read in your posts - I think you'd really dig it! ;D
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Post by riscado on Jun 28, 2007 15:10:55 GMT -7
Can you advise a couple of speakers (2x12 or 2x10 formats are prefered) that would go well with the route 66 for the tones described, I already have a solid pine cab waiting for the amp, it just needs some speakers...
I was thinking red fang's because they're great sounding and affordable, but then they're also dark souding, I know they're amazing with marshalls and tweeds (I've tried) not sure about the route 66, maybe something that will bring out some high frequencies a little more?
Anyway thanks for the help and replies man...
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Post by John on Jun 28, 2007 16:00:45 GMT -7
Celestion Greenbacks or G12H-30's or Vintage 30's
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Post by dixiechicken on Jun 28, 2007 16:09:23 GMT -7
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Post by taswegian on Jun 28, 2007 16:09:48 GMT -7
The Route 66 is a pretty unique tone in itself that I think deserves to stand on it's own. However, I have some Free live and I think Kosoff's tone is about as close to a Route 66 as anything I've heard. The live Fire and Water I could almost swear he's playing my rig! I play in a classic rock cover band as well playing Free, Cream, Led Zep etc and the 66 just adores playing those gigs Check out this song, it's more contemporary than those mentioned but listen to the tone, especially the outro, I find this very Kosoff! Save MeBare in mind that this is a cranked 66 all knobs on 3 oclock into stock Z best. This one is same setting but guitar rolled back for less aggressive tone. Lie Down Next To Me
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Post by riscado on Jun 28, 2007 18:00:15 GMT -7
cool thanks guys, both for the speaker sugestions and clips...
tasqeigan, cool tunes (they remind me a bit of stone temple pilots sound, this is a compliment by the way), nice tone and playing too...
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Post by fireball on Jun 29, 2007 4:23:45 GMT -7
Can you advise a couple of speakers (2x12 or 2x10 formats are preferred) that would go well with the route 66 for the tones described, I already have a solid pine cab waiting for the amp, it just needs some speakers... I was thinking red fang's because they're great sounding and affordable, but then they're also dark sounding, I know they're amazing with marshalls and tweeds (I've tried) not sure about the route 66, maybe something that will bring out some high frequencies a little more? Anyway thanks for the help and replies man... I never experimented much with speakers or cabinets with my Route 66... and I'm sure there's lots of speaker/cab combinations that will sound great with it. That said, I used to run my 66 into a closed back, oversized Germino 2x12 loaded with Greenbacks and I thought it sounded great for those late 60's early 70's British tones you are seeking.
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Post by guitarboy02451 on Jul 14, 2007 6:44:24 GMT -7
I played a 66 for about 6 hours at Music Toyz roughly 6 months ago. I tried everything through that amp. Nash Tele, Nash Strat, Gibson SG, Lester and Brian Setzer Gretch.
All sounded amazing. Like with any amp, the Lester was a little dark and had lots of sizzle due to the very hot fat pup's. I had to raise the treble from about 11am to 2pm, then it had some shimmer again.
Played the amp through a matching blond Z-Best. The high ceilings and open space of the shop made the amp ring out.
But keep this in mind. This puppy is loud! Very loud. We had the windows shaking and the floor vibrating.
The tone was a little darker than my Maz and definitely my Ghia but I'd say that it is one amazing amp.
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