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Post by taswegian on Dec 29, 2009 3:16:36 GMT -7
OK, lets not hold back! Anyone let this baby fly on full power into a good old fashion 4x12 with greenies? Man, I used to play a plexi into a straight faced big ole 4X12 It was a huge cab. Maybe originaly a 8-10 cab? I just know an older guy once told me to never let that cab go, but I was young and stupid. It was a great sound. Well it wasn't that practical either, hauling up and down stairs at 4 in the morning was a nightmare.. I'm sure I don't play any quieter now than I did then but the stages (or lack of) I play now would rarely fit a quad.
But I must admit. I really miss hearing 4 greenies do their thing. And to me, I would think, the Remedy is screamin' for those 4 greenies! ;D Anyone lettin' rip?
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Post by tubestack on Dec 29, 2009 14:33:55 GMT -7
Yes, I've been putting my Remedy through a Marshall slant cab loaded with Greenbacks and it sounds absolutely killer! The Remedy seems born for it - I love it. However, I also just bought a Z Best cab yesterday and have been rocking out with that, too. (Took two of the Greens out of the Marshall and swapped 'em into the Z.) It sounds killer, too. It's taking a bit of getting used to, as I've played a 4x12 for about 20 years, since I was a teen. A bit less of a chunk and thump factor with the Z Best, but I'm wondering if it won't be as noticeable with drums and bass. Maybe the Z Best will cut through a bit better and stay out of the bass player's frequency territory... Anways, the Remedy and a 4x12 of Greenbacks absolutely kicks arse. Not sure if I can say goodbye to it completely.
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Dec 29, 2009 15:53:25 GMT -7
Yes, I've been putting my Remedy through a Marshall slant cab loaded with Greenbacks and it sounds absolutely killer! The Remedy seems born for it - I love it. However, I also just bought a Z Best cab yesterday and have been rocking out with that, too. (Took two of the Greens out of the Marshall and swapped 'em into the Z.) It sounds killer, too. It's taking a bit of getting used to, as I've played a 4x12 for about 20 years, since I was a teen. A bit less of a chunk and thump factor with the Z Best, but I'm wondering if it won't be as noticeable with drums and bass. Maybe the Z Best will cut through a bit better and stay out of the bass player's frequency territory... Anways, the Remedy and a 4x12 of Greenbacks absolutely kicks arse. Not sure if I can say goodbye to it completely. Just curious if you tried the Z-Best with the stock speakers before you swapped them out. Mine sure has a ton of chunk...
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Post by taswegian on Dec 29, 2009 16:35:24 GMT -7
I'll be pretty interested to hear what sounds better in smallish clubs, 1/2 power thru Z-Best, or full power thru 1-12. How have you been mainly playing it Steve?
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Dec 29, 2009 18:00:59 GMT -7
Last time I played outdoors I used my stock Z-Best and it was glorious. I've been using two Golds in open backs indoors, but I'm thinking on using the Z-Best on NYE just because it will annoy the sound guy.
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Post by taswegian on Dec 29, 2009 18:16:28 GMT -7
I like it! ;D
I think the Remedy will like my 1-12 too but the Z best is a thumpin' cab.
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Dec 29, 2009 19:07:35 GMT -7
Compare the two: Remedy/Maz Jr with Radial Headbone and two Alnico Golds: Remedy with Z-Best:
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Post by bluzman on Dec 29, 2009 21:01:06 GMT -7
At rehearsals I plug my Remedy into a Marshall 4x12 16 ohm... because it's there. I do prefer the Z-Best with it. I also like it with 1x12 with a gold under the 2x10 off-axis... Plus it looks sharp if youse ax me.
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Post by tubestack on Dec 29, 2009 21:47:20 GMT -7
Yes, I've been putting my Remedy through a Marshall slant cab loaded with Greenbacks and it sounds absolutely killer! The Remedy seems born for it - I love it. However, I also just bought a Z Best cab yesterday and have been rocking out with that, too. (Took two of the Greens out of the Marshall and swapped 'em into the Z.) It sounds killer, too. It's taking a bit of getting used to, as I've played a 4x12 for about 20 years, since I was a teen. A bit less of a chunk and thump factor with the Z Best, but I'm wondering if it won't be as noticeable with drums and bass. Maybe the Z Best will cut through a bit better and stay out of the bass player's frequency territory... Anways, the Remedy and a 4x12 of Greenbacks absolutely kicks arse. Not sure if I can say goodbye to it completely. Just curious if you tried the Z-Best with the stock speakers before you swapped them out. Mine sure has a ton of chunk... Yes, I did. It sounded great with the V30/G12H combo, but I'm such a GB-hound I had to go straight to those. I'm not sure if there was more chunk with the stock setup than with the GB's - it certainly has lots with both - but coming straight from a lifetime of 4x12 playing, it was a shift, both stock and with GBs. There's just no chunk like a 4x12 chunk... (But there's advantages to the Z Best too, less beamy than the 4x12, no beam-blast from the slant top speakers on the 1960A...) Today I played the Z Best for another 2-3 hours and was loving it! But this thread's all about 4x12 love...
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Dec 29, 2009 22:27:14 GMT -7
;D ;D ;D
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Post by taswegian on Dec 30, 2009 4:17:59 GMT -7
Great stuff guys, gee those Red rigs look sharp! And matching shirt Steve! ;D
Hey tubestack, did you notice a volume drop using two greenies in the Z-Best compared to the V30/G12H set up?
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Post by tubestack on Dec 30, 2009 13:41:03 GMT -7
Hey tubestack, did you notice a volume drop using two greenies in the Z-Best compared to the V30/G12H set up? Yes, I did notice a slight drop, but not a huge one. They're regular RI GBs (not Heritage) and are only 2 db less in sensitivity than the V30 and G12H, as far as I know. They still sound huge in the Z Best cab (and what a cab it is, man, it's awesome. I've never played through any other 2x12, so I have no point of comparison, but holy **** it's huge sounding, just fills the room!). It's also a tough comparison because my GB's are more broken-in than the newer stock ones, which had that new-speaker treble-pierce going on, which also adds to the perceived-volume thing. All in all, it's all absolutely killer tone!
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Post by tubestack on Dec 30, 2009 13:45:57 GMT -7
Although, my 4x12 is angry with me, I think. It's off in the corner right now, with two of its GB's ripped out, half-empty and confused. I'm on the fence right now, re. keeping the Marshall. I'm sort of a one-amp setup guy, if I switch I switch completely, and I'm really digging this Z Best, so far. But that four-greenback, Marshall thing is such a classic and suits the Remedy so well... I'd hate so say goodbye to it forever. And it's funny, while it takes up more room in the car, it's actually easier to haul around than the Z Best, which I wasn't quite expecting. With the 4x12, you can put stuff on top, wheel it around, and just tip it over to get it in the car. Hauling this Z Best around... man it's an awkward beast!
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Post by mtlrecords on Dec 30, 2009 15:20:05 GMT -7
Yeah, the Z-best is tricky to haul around. But the tone...so sweet!
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Post by tubestack on Dec 31, 2009 14:53:40 GMT -7
Yes, I've been putting my Remedy through a Marshall slant cab loaded with Greenbacks and it sounds absolutely killer! The Remedy seems born for it - I love it. However, I also just bought a Z Best cab yesterday and have been rocking out with that, too. (Took two of the Greens out of the Marshall and swapped 'em into the Z.) It sounds killer, too. It's taking a bit of getting used to, as I've played a 4x12 for about 20 years, since I was a teen. A bit less of a chunk and thump factor with the Z Best, but I'm wondering if it won't be as noticeable with drums and bass. Maybe the Z Best will cut through a bit better and stay out of the bass player's frequency territory... Anways, the Remedy and a 4x12 of Greenbacks absolutely kicks arse. Not sure if I can say goodbye to it completely. Just curious if you tried the Z-Best with the stock speakers before you swapped them out. Mine sure has a ton of chunk... Whoa! I just swapped the G12H back in and kept one of the Greenbacks in with it, for a G12H/Greenback mix - what a great combo! The G12H adds a lot of chunk and bottom-end definition, the Greenback sings through nice and warm with a sweet amount of breakup fuzz and warm crunchy mids, and the G12H puts a little sparkle on the top end. I'm really liking it!
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Post by tubestack on Dec 31, 2009 14:56:03 GMT -7
I think what I may end up doing is having the Z Best G12H/Greenback combo as my main setup and keeping the Marshall 4x12 w/ a quad of Greenbacks for special occasions, larger gigs, and self-indulgent rehearsals.
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Dec 31, 2009 17:47:49 GMT -7
I think what I may end up doing is having the Z Best G12H/Greenback combo as my main setup and keeping the Marshall 4x12 w/ a quad of Greenbacks for special occasions, larger gigs, and self-indulgent rehearsals. Nothing wrong with a bit of self-indulgence from time to time.
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Post by mdrs on Dec 31, 2009 23:20:23 GMT -7
My Remedy has sounded great thru just about any cab I've tried. It's stellar thru an old Marshall 4x12 with Creambacks that I have. It's also great thru all of my various Marshall 4x12's.....a 1960 with Heritage series Celestions, the TV, and a "vintage". I really like it thru my Dr. Z 1x12 with a Celestion Gold.
It your cab likes a Plexi like Marshall, it'll like the Remedy.
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Post by Jan on Jan 1, 2010 9:20:12 GMT -7
I think what I may end up doing is having the Z Best G12H/Greenback combo as my main setup and keeping the Marshall 4x12 w/ a quad of Greenbacks for special occasions, larger gigs, and self-indulgent rehearsals. Nothing wrong with a bit of self-indulgence from time to time. Self indulgence is a far, far better thing than seller's remorse.
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Jan 1, 2010 11:17:27 GMT -7
Played my Remedy through the 2x12 stack again last night - DANG that works nice. Two Golds, one on top of the other, one in a convertible cab, one in my Maz Jr combo. When the Headbone came to bear on the Remedy, the skies opened up, the angels sang, lightning flashed, and the Remedy THUNDERED!
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Post by stratman89 on Jan 1, 2010 14:24:14 GMT -7
When the Headbone came to bear on the Remedy, the skies opened up, the angels sang, lightning flashed, and the Remedy THUNDERED! I love it!
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Post by Danny on Jan 5, 2010 19:46:54 GMT -7
Played my Remedy through the 2x12 stack again last night - DANG that works nice. Two Golds, one on top of the other, one in a convertible cab, one in my Maz Jr combo. When the Headbone came to bear on the Remedy, the skies opened up, the angels sang, lightning flashed, and the Remedy THUNDERED! Steve, Are you keeping the convertible closed or partially open?
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Post by taswegian on Jan 5, 2010 20:09:20 GMT -7
Ahh, that's what that was NYE! ;D
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Jan 5, 2010 21:59:51 GMT -7
Played my Remedy through the 2x12 stack again last night - DANG that works nice. Two Golds, one on top of the other, one in a convertible cab, one in my Maz Jr combo. When the Headbone came to bear on the Remedy, the skies opened up, the angels sang, lightning flashed, and the Remedy THUNDERED! Steve, Are you keeping the convertible closed or partially open? Got the panel off so I would say OPEN
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Post by muzacman02 "Jamie" on Jan 7, 2010 10:57:39 GMT -7
Almost anything is godlike! With a $x12 Greenback loaded Cab! All My amps sound AMAZING through 4x12's Its a pian lugging around sometimes as we aren't getting any younger, However when your Sound puts a smile on your face its well worth the work! The Remedy Would Be amazing through any of my 4x12's for sure!!!
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Post by zone47 on Jan 20, 2010 5:22:50 GMT -7
Yes, I've been putting my Remedy through a Marshall slant cab loaded with Greenbacks and it sounds absolutely killer! The Remedy seems born for it - I love it. However, I also just bought a Z Best cab yesterday and have been rocking out with that, too. (Took two of the Greens out of the Marshall and swapped 'em into the Z.) It sounds killer, too. It's taking a bit of getting used to, as I've played a 4x12 for about 20 years, since I was a teen. A bit less of a chunk and thump factor with the Z Best, but I'm wondering if it won't be as noticeable with drums and bass. Maybe the Z Best will cut through a bit better and stay out of the bass player's frequency territory... Anways, the Remedy and a 4x12 of Greenbacks absolutely kicks arse. Not sure if I can say goodbye to it completely. Well, it's hard to beat a 4x12 period, but if you're gigging, a 2x12 is the way to go, and the Z best is one of the biggest sounding 2x12 cabs out there. Keep the 4x12 for home use! I just got my Remedy and haven't tried the 4x12 yet, but can't wait to do it!
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Post by Jan on Feb 2, 2010 12:08:15 GMT -7
Hey, tubestack, I have an experiment for you. With your 4 x 12, wire up two Greenbacks in parallel, in a diagonal line (say top left, bottom right). Take the other two out - nothing but the hole left. Put that back panel back on tight. Now, crank something up through it - careful not to overpower only two Greenbacks, eh?
Tell me what you hear. You may just go, wow.
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Post by tubestack on Feb 3, 2010 17:34:27 GMT -7
Hey, tubestack, I have an experiment for you. With your 4 x 12, wire up two Greenbacks in parallel, in a diagonal line (say top left, bottom right). Take the other two out - nothing but the hole left. Put that back panel back on tight. Now, crank something up through it - careful not to overpower only two Greenbacks, eh? Tell me what you hear. You may just go, wow. Thanks for the suggestion, Jan. I've read about that, never tried it though. However, there ain't no 4x12 in these parts, anymore. I sold mine the other day. With two little ones around, I can't really justify having two cabs, right now. Down the road, I'll pick up another one (which is why I'm getting on the Dr Z petitions now, LOL!) Mine was a newer 1960A, anyways, and I'd rather have an old 1960B - will grab a used one, when I can.
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Post by tubestack on Feb 3, 2010 17:35:47 GMT -7
That is, if the good Doctor Z doesn't put one out, in the meantime.
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