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Post by aj1169 on Feb 23, 2007 8:51:57 GMT -7
I was just wondering if anyone has used the Rt66 with a pair of Celestion Blues? Is the 32 watt amp too much for this speaker setup? I'm probably gonna end up getting either a Rt66 or Z28 later on down the road to round out my arsenal of Z's, and I was just wondering if the Rt66 would match well with my open back 2x12 with Blues?
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Post by mward on Feb 23, 2007 9:51:26 GMT -7
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Post by aj1169 on Feb 23, 2007 10:01:14 GMT -7
Thanks for the post. I must have missed that one.
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Post by 5sonic on Feb 23, 2007 21:48:48 GMT -7
You might also have a look at the Eminence Red Fang, which is their version of an alnico. It is rated at 30 watts (60 watts peak). I'm going to put 2 of them in a 2x12" cab for use w/ my Route 66. They're a bit more affordable than Celestions too.
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Post by groovergeorge on Feb 24, 2007 2:09:28 GMT -7
I would recommend you try the Red fangs out before you buy them. I had a Red Fang that I used with my Ghia and found it to be very dark and way different than the Celestion blue. I'm not saying it is a bad speaker just that it was way too dark for me. Where i set my Ghia at 2 o' clock with my greenback i had to set the Ghia to 12' with the Red Fang. They might sound ok with the Route 66 but I'd still try em' b4 u buy em!
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Post by jb on Feb 24, 2007 10:57:36 GMT -7
You may want to consider a Blue and another complimentary speaker. I use the Blue and G12H30 combination and think they sound great together.
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Post by 5sonic on Feb 24, 2007 11:42:41 GMT -7
I would recommend you try the Red fangs out before you buy them. I had a Red Fang that I used with my Ghia and found it to be very dark and way different than the Celestion blue. I'm not saying it is a bad speaker just that it was way too dark for me. Where i set my Ghia at 2 o' clock with my greenback i had to set the Ghia to 12' with the Red Fang. They might sound ok with the Route 66 but I'd still try em' b4 u buy em! Thanks for the warning groovergeorge. The Route 66 is not a bright amp to begin with, so I'm not looking for a bright tone. Still, if you say they were WAY too dark for you, then I guess I had better listen. I'm not really sure where I can try out a speaker before I buy it though. Based on what I'm hearing when I listen to the Eminence sound clips, there are much darker speakers in the Patriot/Red Coat lines than the Red Fang. Other ones I'm considering are the Tonespotter and Cannibis Rex. A pair of Greenbacks might be cool, but they're a little on the muddy side with a Route 66 from what I've heard. Two Celestion Blues would be expensive, and they're only rated for 15 watts. Two Golds would be way too expensive, and they're rated for 50 watts each, so with 2 of them it would be difficult to push the speakers much. I like the 30 watt rating on the Red Fang. A pair of them should match up well with the 66. I will take your warning into account though before I buy the pair.
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Post by jb on Feb 24, 2007 13:39:24 GMT -7
If you are worried about brightness, a Blue and a V30 might work as well.
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Post by groovergeorge on Feb 25, 2007 18:45:13 GMT -7
I would recommend you try the Red fangs out before you buy them. I had a Red Fang that I used with my Ghia and found it to be very dark and way different than the Celestion blue. I'm not saying it is a bad speaker just that it was way too dark for me. Where i set my Ghia at 2 o' clock with my greenback i had to set the Ghia to 12' with the Red Fang. They might sound ok with the Route 66 but I'd still try em' b4 u buy em! Thanks for the warning groovergeorge. The Route 66 is not a bright amp to begin with, so I'm not looking for a bright tone. Still, if you say they were WAY too dark for you, then I guess I had better listen. I'm not really sure where I can try out a speaker before I buy it though. Based on what I'm hearing when I listen to the Eminence sound clips, there are much darker speakers in the Patriot/Red Coat lines than the Red Fang. Other ones I'm considering are the Tonespotter and Cannibis Rex. A pair of Greenbacks might be cool, but they're a little on the muddy side with a Route 66 from what I've heard. Two Celestion Blues would be expensive, and they're only rated for 15 watts. Two Golds would be way too expensive, and they're rated for 50 watts each, so with 2 of them it would be difficult to push the speakers much. I like the 30 watt rating on the Red Fang. A pair of them should match up well with the 66. I will take your warning into account though before I buy the pair. If you have found the Greenbacks to be muddy with the Route 66 then definitely don't go with the Red Fangs! Even though they have that Celestion blue chime in them to some extent,they were way too dark, even more so than the Greenback I am currently using with my Ghia. The Canabis Rex is a hemp cone like the Tone tubbies but at a not so hefty price. They are really popular speakers with country players and tele guys.
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Post by 5sonic on Feb 25, 2007 23:39:38 GMT -7
I haven't personally used the greenbacks with the route 66, I was referring to another post that I read on this forum. I don't think he said they were dark, it was that he needed more cleans. I guess you can only tell so much from those sound clips. The rw&b sounds darker than the red fang to me, as do several of the other eminence speakers that people are using with Dr Z amps. Maybe because the red fang has less low mids it's deceiving. I'll have to listen to the clips through a full range speaker.
The cannibis rex is also on my list. Other eminence speakers I'm considering are the tonespotter, the governor, private jack, etc... the wizard just seems a little too loud. I'm also looking into some weber models. A friend just gave me a 2x12" cabinet, so I may just order a few different speakers and sell the ones I don't like.
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Post by 5sonic on Mar 6, 2007 18:48:23 GMT -7
I'm replying to myself here I guess..... I bought a large 2x12" unloaded Mojo cabinet. It's a Marshall style straight cab with the large check grille cloth. One speaker mounts on the upper right, the other in the lower left. I'm thinking of loading it with a pair of Private Jacks, unless someone talks me out of it. The PJ should be brighter than the Red Fang, and it doesn't seem to have the scooped mids either, more full range sounding. They do use the same cone, but I think the PJ has more dope on it. The Private Jack is Eminence's version of a Greenback, though it handles 50 watts and is smoother in the mids. It is said to be a very well balanced speaker.
I've played the Celestion G12H 30's and liked them, but I think the 50 oz magnet would make my large cabinet sound too bass heavy. I've considered some Weber Silver Bells, but I'd rather not wait a month or more for the speakers, since my cab will be here in a few days.
On the Earcandy website he says that a Red Fang and a Cannibis Rex make a killer combo of hemp/alnico and paper/ceramic. I'm stlll leaning towards two Private Jacks though. What would you do? Again, my current amp is a Route 66, though I probably won't stop there.
I heard the Eminence Stonehenge is the brightest of the Red Coat series. One person said that it makes darker rigs come to life. So the Stonehenge (or a combo with) may be another option I suppose. Too many choices is making it difficult for me to decide. Any further input would be helpful.
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Post by JChance on Mar 7, 2007 18:08:26 GMT -7
Not the same thing exactly, but my new Route 66 sounds killer with an Alnico Blue Dog I have in a 1 12" Weber cabinet. It's a 50 watt version, so it can handle the 66 with no problem. The Weber Blues are pretty much their version of a Celestion Blue, but to my ears are just a touch darker and have a bit more bottom end. Not a drastic difference, but enough that I prefer the Webers. So I would think that the 66 would sound good with just about any Celestion Blue-type speaker. The extra chime and sensitivity makes for a good match with the 66's thickness & girth.
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Post by rcrecelius on Mar 7, 2007 18:22:58 GMT -7
I'm replying to myself here I guess..... I bought a large 2x12" unloaded Mojo cabinet. It's a Marshall style straight cab with the large check grille cloth. One speaker mounts on the upper right, the other in the lower left. I'm thinking of loading it with a pair of Private Jacks, unless someone talks me out of it. The PJ should be brighter than the Red Fang, and it doesn't seem to have the scooped mids either, more full range sounding. They do use the same cone, but I think the PJ has more dope on it. The Private Jack is Eminence's version of a Greenback, though it handles 50 watts and is smoother in the mids. It is said to be a very well balanced speaker. I've played the Celestion G12H 30's and liked them, but I think the 50 oz magnet would make my large cabinet sound too bass heavy. I've considered some Weber Silver Bells, but I'd rather not wait a month or more for the speakers, since my cab will be here in a few days. On the Earcandy website he says that a Red Fang and a Cannibis Rex make a killer combo of hemp/alnico and paper/ceramic. I'm stlll leaning towards two Private Jacks though. What would you do? Again, my current amp is a Route 66, though I probably won't stop there. I heard the Eminence Stonehenge is the brightest of the Red Coat series. One person said that it makes darker rigs come to life. So the Stonehenge (or a combo with) may be another option I suppose. Too many choices is making it difficult for me to decide. Any further input would be helpful. FWIW...I use a Private Jack with my Z28 and its a good match with that amp but I didnt feel that way when pairing it up with the RT66...might have just been the circumstances but it was too dark IMO with the 66.
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Post by 5sonic on Mar 7, 2007 20:52:37 GMT -7
Guys, thanks very much for the advice. I just read through a 144-page thread about the Eminence speakers over at The Gear Page. Whoa!
It seems like I may want to try a somewhat bright speaker with the Route 66. In the Eminence lines, maybe the Screamin Eagle or Red Ryder would do the trick.
If I can't decide, I may just go with the Weber Silver Bells..... Probably can't go wrong with those. I also looked into some Scumbacks today. Like the Webers, they would probably take a month to arrive though, and they're expensive. I could have some Celestions or Eminence right away, and the Eminence are pretty affordable. The Eminence also seem more versatile due to their higher wattage ratings. Maybe I'll try those Red Ryders.
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Post by 5sonic on Mar 8, 2007 10:57:40 GMT -7
Scumbacks ARE webers. Jim just orders a custom made speaker by weber and jacks the price up. I've used the 75M (greenback) scumbacks, and while they were good sounding speakers, i dont know if i'd recommend them compared to some others. Again, they were great; but they were also a good $100 more than a private jack. Not sure if they are worth it i guess. take care corey No sheeyut? That would explain why Jim said that anything he didn't have in stock would require full payment up front and take around 4 weeks to get. Nice guy though, but that's a little weird. I've read so much about speakers lately that I could probably just specify my own Webers anyway. [edit] I read a typo saying that the Man O War had 105.6 dB sensitivity. It's 102. [end edit] I had a pricematch deal on the Red Fangs but passed on them since groovergeorge says that they're way too dark for the Route 66. I noticed that one guy prefers the Texas Heat with his Route 66. The Screamin Eagle is a lower wattage version of the Texas Heat. So anyway, I may try the Screamin Eagle or Texas Heat or Red Ryder, etc... I kinda feel that since the Route 66 is a somewhat dark sounding amp, it is what it is..... Why try to make it something else? But at the same time, I don't want a speaker that makes it overly dark. I guess I'll just pick one of the Eminence models and give that a try. If I'm not happy with them, I'll sell them and get something else. My cab arrives tomorrow, so I had better order something!
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