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Post by Curt on Oct 3, 2006 13:48:12 GMT -7
Well, the 66 was taking a back seat to the KT 45, but I did some trading with a fello Z bro and ended up with a Z 2x10 cab. Last night I tried it with the KT45 and HATED it, the 1x12 w/Tx Heat was the clear winner with that amp. Today was the 66's day. Tried 2 new things, SS rec plug and the 2x10 cab OMG !!! REALLY woke the 66 up for me and what I wanted, only tried a Strat but I could not put it down, nice and crispy on the top end, less mids and a more solid bottom....yummy. No pedals were tried and even though I ran through many adjustments of the knobs it sounded great everywhere, seemed to sound much better low on the volume knob too, was "in the zone" by 3:00. Fav setting was bass and vol @ noon and treb at 3:00 WOW. this cab sounds great with the tube rec installed also, but for me the SS plug tightened it up just a touch more and moved the crisp top end to where I like it. YMMV but I can't wait to gig her like this. Now it is even more like a big ballsy Ghia !!
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Post by prowler on Oct 4, 2006 5:25:51 GMT -7
Interesting that you say your mids were less. I had a Z 2x10 cab & I thought the mids had a nice prescence to them. Paired with the 66 I would think that your mids would be very "in your face".
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Post by Curt on Oct 4, 2006 6:37:20 GMT -7
perhaps just really tight and focused...I was in my garage and I've never played in there before so different room ya know?
Of course I've mostly played with a V-30 with the raspy mids, the Z 10's are...smoother and tighter.
What's for sure is the 66 and a Z 2x10 is a vey giggable rig.
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Post by rcrecelius on Oct 4, 2006 7:45:53 GMT -7
Did you try it with the tube rect into the 2-10's before installing the SS rect? Just curious
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Post by rcrecelius on Oct 4, 2006 7:46:37 GMT -7
oops, I just re-read and it seems like you already said...it sounded good too!
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Post by billyguitar on Oct 4, 2006 8:22:59 GMT -7
Zs 2x10 cab is a wonderful thing!
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Post by Curt on Oct 4, 2006 8:24:46 GMT -7
You got it. Interesting note, I did not break out the bias tool for exact readings, but the SS plug raises the bias as I have checked this on other amps.
The SS rec is not night and day but it does tighten things up a touch. Mike at KCNOS has them for $10, you should try it RC, I think you'd like it.
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Post by Curt on Oct 4, 2006 8:28:19 GMT -7
Zs 2x10 cab is a wonderful thing! the only Z's I have now are the KT45 and 66, I HATE the 2x10 with the 45, but LOVE it with the 66...it makes the 66 sound really close to the KT with two Greenbacks, which is a great sound for me, in a lighter smaller slightly less volume rig....I'm pretty happy. Now I need to replace my Ghia and should be OK....
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Post by James on Oct 4, 2006 8:41:38 GMT -7
Billyguitar, how's the 2 x 10 sound with your maz 38?
Curt, this is interesting. A way's back I initially started a thread regarding using the 2x 10 with the RT 66. The responses were not that favorable. If you are saying the 66's high end is better thru the 66 then that is a great thing..............I think you referred to the ktv 45 like "crushed glass" in the hi end. Is that what you are saying about the 66 with 2x10?
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Post by Curt on Oct 4, 2006 10:09:27 GMT -7
Billyguitar, how's the 2 x 10 sound with your maz 38? Curt, this is interesting. A way's back I initially started a thread regarding using the 2x 10 with the RT 66. The responses were not that favorable. If you are saying the 66's high end is better thru the 66 then that is a great thing..............I think you referred to the ktv 45 like "crushed glass" in the hi end. Is that what you are saying about the 66 with 2x10? Yes..now the fellas that are 100% happy with the 66...Jaye, you know who you are probably won't like the 2x10 cab, but for me I always wanted a mid control on the 66...not now, this is a great sound for me....amazing how much I did NOT like it with the KT45, that amp is VERY selective of speakers where the 66 sounds good through any speaker..and Killer through some. Of course it's what sound your after, but it did add some top end bite and focus to mine..the SS rec plug is icing ;D ALSO..and we all know this, my opinion thus far is home wanking in the garage...a real gig setting is still required.
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Post by billyguitar on Oct 4, 2006 11:45:17 GMT -7
Since I got my Stang Ray head and 2 x 10 cab I haven't even turned on the Maz 38 so i can't tell you. I really like the 2 x 10 cab so I think I would like those two together also. The 2 x 10 has a great balance of everything and no honks, squawks, biting highs, or boomy bass. Well actually it does have pretty strong low end that can make things in the rehearsal space resonate more than my other rigs. Played outside recently. I had the Ray cranked to about 3:00 and was using the low input. The amp and cab were sitting on a concrete slab. I was standing about 3 feet in front of it. On mids like C on the the G string, it was really making my lower pant legs vibrate. If there is any downside at all for some people it might be that this cab is also very efficient so you can't open your amp up as much as you might with a lower efficciency cab. Side by side with an old EV 12 the 2 x 10 seemed a bit more efficient, and that's really saying something.
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Post by LeftyLang on Oct 4, 2006 11:50:09 GMT -7
I love the Route 66 with the Z 4x10...it kills!!
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Post by prowler on Oct 4, 2006 12:22:37 GMT -7
I run my 66 through a JDesigns 1x12 Vintage cab loaded with a Weber Silver Bell.
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Post by taswegian on Oct 4, 2006 14:50:32 GMT -7
I would think the Rt 66 without the tube rectifier would lose alot of its sag, touch sensitivity and dynamics, all the things that make the amp really special for me. I love being able to stum softly and be playing a quiet clean phrase, then hit it hard with the right hand (Left for you Leftylang) and blow the audience half way back across the room! ;D It is so musical within a songs dynamics to have that huge range simply at your touch. I love to hear a band play light and shade and raunch! From a rock point of view, the SS rec would probably work great for shredding with the quicker attack and rise time, if I had to do another shred Playstation session I'd probably consider it, although I'm sure there be easier ways to get a sound. Curt, always great to hear your findings, you are a wealth of information!
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Post by Curt on Oct 4, 2006 16:13:07 GMT -7
Jaye, I'm new to the SS rec thang, I've always avoided them. But as of late, messing with speakers, bias, etc. this was a natural progression..and a CHEAP experiment. That being said, IMO anyone with a tube rec'ed amp should have a SS plug for fun cheap testing, and in the gig bag for a safety net. like the old Life cereal commercials here in the US... "Try it..you'll like it..." LOL And "Thanks" Jaye, My tastes differ from many here....but it is still information ;^) HowZ that Red head LOL
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Post by taswegian on Oct 4, 2006 16:21:08 GMT -7
HowZ that Red head LOL Are you refering to my burnt head or did I fulfil a lifelong fantasy and now not remember? ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Curt on Oct 4, 2006 16:49:11 GMT -7
HowZ that Red head LOL Are you refering to my burnt head or did I fulfil a lifelong fantasy and now not remember? ;D ;D ;D Well, I WAS thinking of your solar over exposure But since you brought it up....... my first Ex wife, and my Current wife (or next ex wife (3rd argghh)) was and is Red heads ;D
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Post by zman on Oct 5, 2006 4:34:44 GMT -7
Funny but True,
But when using my 66 for gigs it was a given fact..... Because I swear that I always got the most Great Tone COMMENTS WHEN USING A 2x10. I never tried the 66 with the Z 10's speakers... but spent many shows using the Copperhead 10's speakers.
Maybe there is something to be said for the 66 being used with 10's. If I want a night getting many compliments on my tone.... I know instantly to grab the 2X10 cab.
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