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Post by squeallydan on Mar 7, 2006 13:32:09 GMT -7
I have a gig this weekend in a larger club. I am playing with my party band and normally need a good clean tone for 75% of the songs. I sold my Maz Jr which will likely ship out this week, and while I have a Maz Sr coming, it isn't here yet. WIll I be able to play a big room with the ghia. Its a loud band, but there is a big PA. I was planning on trying to keep the volume around 9am or a little lower, and just getting the sound man t ocrank my guitar volume int the monitor. SOund like a good plan?
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Post by clintondavid on Mar 7, 2006 13:42:47 GMT -7
Just a thought, you might try turning up your Ghia a little more but turning down your guitar a notch or two. It may or may not work for you, just something to try.
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Post by squeallydan on Mar 7, 2006 13:58:34 GMT -7
Thanks. I will try that. Somtimes it seems like when I turn my guitar volume down it alters the tone and takes out some of the highs.
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Post by Curt on Mar 7, 2006 14:02:06 GMT -7
On some it will, you can put a resistor across your tone pot to help with that.
The Ghia thru a Z Best will do it, Or grab that 12 BH7 PI tube for more headroom, the PA should do it but I much prefer to hear my amp directly if at all possible.
What "a lg. room" ? how big, how many bodies? etc.
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Post by squeallydan on Mar 7, 2006 15:28:54 GMT -7
It's not just a little pub. Last time we played this place I think they had 200 people at the door and it was still not packed.
Thanks for the tube info. I agree with you. I much prfre the sound of an amp over the sound of an amp coming thru a pa monitor. But I think that I may have to rely on the montior somei f I want to keep my clean sound.
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Post by terryg on Mar 7, 2006 15:47:17 GMT -7
Curt's right - do you have speaker options? If you've got a 100db @ 1W speaker, going up to a 103db will "double" the perceived loudness. Putting caps across your pots is what I do too, even though I often roll back the tone when I roll back the volume anyway - I have that option!
With humbuckers, my Ghia starts to give it up at around 9. I roll it's tone to the left a bit (11o'clock) to thin it some, and use the guitar controls. More efficient speakers, lower powered PI, and FOH sound/monitor mix will all be good for you.
Oh yeah, elevate your cab, angled upward, could change perception considerably as well.
Have fun, and let us know how it went!
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Post by squeallydan on Mar 7, 2006 17:17:28 GMT -7
I usually use a Mesa 1x12 closed back cab or a Mesa 2x12 closed back cab.
I wonder if taking the back off the cab would spread it out a bit more, or would that dirty it up some?
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Post by Curt on Mar 7, 2006 19:04:32 GMT -7
I usually use a Mesa 1x12 closed back cab or a Mesa 2x12 closed back cab. I wonder if taking the back off the cab would spread it out a bit more, or would that dirty it up some? Certainly worth a try, should fill the stage better, leave just a few screws in and take a driver, ck it out both way's @ sound check, see what happens !!! And +1 Terry ;D, I have become real fond of leaning my amp back against the wall pointing up at me, I'm 6'4" and if it;s flat on the floor I'd need ears on my ankles, and that's Ivy's job LOL I may add some of the vintage fender kick back legs to my combo cab.
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Post by hollywood5150 on Mar 7, 2006 20:16:37 GMT -7
Hey Dan. Did you ever check to see if 1/2 of the back would come off? By removing the back you will loose some bottom end, but the overall volume should increase. The sound will fill the room better, and not be so directional.
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Post by squeallydan on Mar 7, 2006 21:12:56 GMT -7
Hollywood-
It doesn't look exactly lie the back of your cab that you described, but it still looks like it will come off. I think I will give it a try this weekend.
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Post by real oldster on Mar 7, 2006 21:26:25 GMT -7
I believe the rule of thumb for power and volume is that it takes twice the power with the same speaker to achieve a 3db increase, but that isn't nearly a double in perceived volume. Actually 3db is close to the smallest increase most ears can perceive.
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Post by bluzsteel on Mar 7, 2006 23:11:53 GMT -7
it will work if the band is willin to get there with you
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Post by squeallydan on Mar 8, 2006 19:48:46 GMT -7
GOod point, but our drummer is also the singer and he isn't very good about controlling his volume.
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Post by terryg on Mar 9, 2006 9:42:26 GMT -7
yeah...I can't say I know many drummers that come with a volume control, unless maybe their name is "Roland."
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Post by billyguitar on Mar 9, 2006 9:51:56 GMT -7
At least "Roland" doesn't rush or drag!
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Post by squeallydan on Mar 9, 2006 13:03:37 GMT -7
What do you call a drummer without a girlfriend?
homeless
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Post by Curt on Mar 9, 2006 13:30:51 GMT -7
Ok since were on this, her's one from BW since he's out makin' a living;
What do Eric Clapton and Coffee have in common?
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Post by Curt on Mar 9, 2006 13:46:19 GMT -7
They both suck without Cream.....................
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Post by real oldster on Mar 9, 2006 14:59:54 GMT -7
"Roland" doesn't rush or drag! But if you spill beer on him he starts to sing.
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Post by jonesyfried on Apr 1, 2006 18:07:55 GMT -7
I have to make a comment about "3db being barely perciveable by the human". In all honestly the difference in a 120 watt amp (100 watt) to a 60 watt (50 watt) is only about three decibles. As the percived "volume" does not increase as much as the head room. What the ears actually hear is the cleaner more linear sound from the higher wattage amplifier. So by increasing the effeciancy of your speakers to a higher Db rating you will increase volume as less power is wasted from the amplifier. A 96db (greenback)speaker wastes a ton of power, yet an 80 watt Celestion is much more efficent allowing the amp to use more of its power instead of transfering it to heat. I use 2 80 watt celestions in a closed back Z best cab. I often play in my church which is an old movie theater. Hence a big wide open room. We have two 18" mains on the floor and JBL loudspeakers with a couple 12s up the cilieng and I half turn my Ghias cab around or turn down as I am getting close to 100db out of it. No bs very close to a 100db @ 1 oclock on the dial. It is very clean two.
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Post by myles on Apr 1, 2006 20:28:54 GMT -7
The band Sugarland (that was on tour for a while with Brad Paisley and Sara Evans) .... their guitarist has two Vox AC-15 reissues (single 12" combo) from a half a dozen or so years ago. No sweat at all, we just mic em up and with 50,000 watts of house power behind them and a good large diaphram condensor studio mic you will have stage volume that does not bleed into the vocal mics and sound that everybody will compliment. For last year's Loggins & Messina tour we used $20,000 of Shure KSM-32's on stage with smaller amps. At the Greek Theater they said it was the first time in their history that somebody was below max allowed sound pressure level and the best sound quality they ever heard (and thanks ot OSA out of Las Vegas .... On Stage Audio) for some of the best sound work I have ever heard.
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Post by G'OlPeachPhan on Apr 3, 2006 7:56:41 GMT -7
They both suck without Cream..................... HA! This was a joke Buddy made up?!! Laughed I disagree off... as much as I respect Clapton, I have to agree with the joke... Well, with noteable exceptions for the Bluesbreakers and D&D stuff... and the blues album clapton put out a few years ago. and Ocean Blvd. OK, I guess I don't agree with the joke, but it was extremely clever and funny!
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Post by niversen on Apr 5, 2006 2:39:52 GMT -7
So by increasing the effeciancy of your speakers to a higher Db rating you will increase volume as less power is wasted from the amplifier. A 96db (greenback)speaker wastes a ton of power, yet an 80 watt Celestion is much more efficent allowing the amp to use more of its power instead of transfering it to heat. I'm a bit confused on the mixing of db and watts here. They do not measure the same thing. a 96db efficient speaker is actually pretty efficient for a speaker. I am guessing that you mean that a Celestion speaker with an 80 watt power handling capability is more efficient than their lower capacity speakers?
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Post by bustertheboy on Apr 5, 2006 3:02:39 GMT -7
efficiency here is the sound pressure- db's created by 1 watt of power at 1 metre- correct me if i'm wrong regarding the 3 db being twice as loud eg 100 db/watt/metre as against 97 i've heard equally reputable people disagree some say the smallest discernable difference and others say twice the volume any thoughts guitar speakers seem to be a lot more efficient than stereo/ hifi ones where 93db is efficient- maybe because they aren't as wide frequency? hope that helps
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Post by jonesyfried on Apr 5, 2006 18:22:27 GMT -7
The higher the db rating the more effcient the spaeker is. So more power is made into sound as opposed to heat. Bose uses this theory.
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Post by jonesyfried on Apr 5, 2006 18:25:17 GMT -7
Also I notice a very discernable difference, I wouldnt say twice as loud. But it is much bigger and broader than Greenbacks or V30's. Zakk wyldee is using like 350watt Ev's insane!
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Post by BW on Apr 13, 2006 3:04:56 GMT -7
They both suck without Cream..................... HA! This was a joke Buddy made up?!! Laughed I disagree off... as much as I respect Clapton, I have to agree with the joke... Well, with noteable exceptions for the Bluesbreakers and D&D stuff... and the blues album clapton put out a few years ago. and Ocean Blvd. OK, I guess I don't agree with the joke, but it was extremely clever and funny! Naw Peach, I just heard that from some wagtongue a while back. That's a little too sharp for me to have come up with, and y'all know I have the ultimate respect for Clangston.
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Post by Curt on Apr 13, 2006 8:05:41 GMT -7
HA! This was a joke Buddy made up?!! Laughed I disagree off... as much as I respect Clapton, I have to agree with the joke... Well, with noteable exceptions for the Bluesbreakers and D&D stuff... and the blues album clapton put out a few years ago. and Ocean Blvd. OK, I guess I don't agree with the joke, but it was extremely clever and funny! Naw Peach, I just heard that from some wagtongue a while back. That's a little too sharp for me to have come up with, and y'all know I have the ultimate respect for Clangston. Hey Bud, hope I didn't step on yer towZ tellin' yer joke.... Curt
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Post by BW on Apr 13, 2006 8:56:52 GMT -7
Nah, wasn't mine anyway! Hope you'll get as much mileage out of it as I did! Like 'they' say, the true secret to originality is keepin' yer sources concealed...
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