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Post by fjam82 on Jun 23, 2007 16:24:00 GMT -7
Can the route 66 do the acdc marshall tone with an overdrive?
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Post by dongiesen on Jun 23, 2007 16:54:14 GMT -7
Off topic but how do you like that Vox Brian May. A friend of mine found one for sale in New York and the cab was majorly destroyed by Fedex. A cab from a Vox dealer special ordered was going to be 1400. and the insurance would only award what he paid for the rig plus they keep the rig so he lost out but broke even with the dollars.
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Post by fjam82 on Jun 23, 2007 17:05:51 GMT -7
I have the little white one, I think it's like 10 watts ...
I'm not sure if we're talking about the same amp here... sorry
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Post by groovergeorge on Jun 23, 2007 17:19:41 GMT -7
Can the route 66 do the acdc marshall tone with an overdrive? I haven't heard or played a Route 66 but it is regarded by many as the best hot rodded JTM45 out there. Being a huge AC/DC fan and growing up in my very early teens in Australia with them all over the radio, I can tell you that Angus Young's early lead tone is a JTM45 on leads with Malcom Young belting out the rhythm on a Marshall JMP SLP so I'd say that yes,definately,the R66 will do a great Angus sound!
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Post by taswegian on Jun 23, 2007 18:40:35 GMT -7
Yes it will but you don't need an overdrive! Mine will get there around 12 oclock all knobs depending on what cab I use. The Route 66 is probably thicker than the "ACDC" sound most people think of, but I've never tried it through an SG either. Or a big ole' Gretch for that matter.
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Post by billyguitar on Jun 23, 2007 19:25:18 GMT -7
I'd think it might take a treble booster of some kind.
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Post by taswegian on Jun 23, 2007 19:52:51 GMT -7
Nah, just straight in.
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Post by groovergeorge on Jun 24, 2007 1:02:38 GMT -7
Nah, just straight in. The 66' would nail those lead tones a lot better than the big AC/DC rhythms you looking for. If you stick a RC booster in the front end you will be able to alter the eq somewhat as well. For those big kerang type Malcom Young rhythms you can't go past grabbing a Gretsch or 335 and going straight into a KT45. Iv'e got a great article on the Young brothers rig from either Guitar Player or Guitar World magazine way back in the 90's during one of their world tours. If I can find it I will scan it and put it up for all to see.
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Post by Dr.T on Jun 24, 2007 1:37:19 GMT -7
SG (+RC) + R66 = killer Angus tone
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Post by groovergeorge on Jun 24, 2007 3:02:47 GMT -7
There you go.............thanks Dr. T!
Can't wait to try a Route 66 one day with a Les Paul doing the "Still got the blues thing."
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Post by fjam82 on Jun 24, 2007 5:56:30 GMT -7
awesome!
do you guys need to use the airbrake with it? it says it's only rated at 32 watts, i have the delta which is rated at 88 and there's absolutely no way i can touch it without the airbrake on so i'm reaslly considering selling the delta for a R66
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Post by taswegian on Jun 24, 2007 6:12:49 GMT -7
I bet a large percentage of 66's on ebay are because they are louder than people imagined. I know mine is. I was worried it wouldn't be enough as I previously ran a stereo rack 60 watts per side. But the Z Best and Route 66 is probably louder than my old rig and more the tone I've always wanted. With the Z Best it's quite loud at breakup level, probably too loud for most small clubs or big rooms with few people. I bought a 1-12 cab with a custom 35 watt Celestian Heritage speaker rated at 96-97db and I find it perfect for most places. I can run the amp quite strong, get a nice crunch sound without causing too much drama. I have an airbrake but haven't needed to use it. With that speaker the amp just gets dirtier and not much louder after 12 oclock. For certain cover gigs I've run out of headroom a few times but I always have the Z best and I've played that at a 10 000 people festival competing with the "main" stage. No problem. I have used the airbrake with my own gig with the Z best but never on more than 2. I don't like using it for covers as I like the headroom and run alot of pedals which I think don't appreciate the attenuation. With the right speaker or two I think it's actually the perfect output power rating for most "real world" clubs.
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Post by taswegian on Jun 24, 2007 6:15:30 GMT -7
Just an after thought. From the clips I've heard, I thought a workin' Delta would be closer to Angus and ACDC than the 66! I'm sure I've heard Chris (Janinedoubley) say the same thing.
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Post by fjam82 on Jun 24, 2007 6:56:38 GMT -7
thank you for the feedback...
the thing is, when the delta is running without the airbrake, it hits the acdc tone perfectly, but with the airbrake you lose that sizzle and grind.... with no airbrake, the amp sounds like its ready to explode at 1:00 with the boosts on, it's unreal!!!
when I got it, i didn't have an airbrake and played it loud for a whole week.. after the week, i was getting headaches, my ears were ringing and i started getting a piercing pain when i'd play!!
i really wish doc could come up with an amp that has the exact same characteristics but at 1/2 or 2/3 the volume so i don't have to use the airbrake!!!
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Post by billyguitar on Jun 24, 2007 7:08:45 GMT -7
Part of the effect of high volume is the speakers contribution as it strains. So a master volume won't really do anything the Air Brake doesn't.
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Post by taswegian on Jun 24, 2007 8:11:24 GMT -7
i'm reaslly considering selling the delta for a R66 Just my two cents here and believe me, I understand money contraints! And I love the Route 66 as much as anyone on the planet. But I would advise you to hold on to the Delta. If you want another Z, then find a way to get another other than selling the one you have. The Delta is a fairly rare amp and probably won't come back into production. It's a pretty cool amp to have even if just for prosperity. It's probably all right to chop and change the steady production range (Maz's Ghia's etc) but I'd try to hang on to anything that is no longer made. I won't be selling any of mine and I plan to build the stable up as the years go by. I don't mean to sound preachy, just food for thought Sorry if I sound like I'm riding a very high horse! ;D
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Post by groovergeorge on Jun 24, 2007 8:11:26 GMT -7
You could always lower your db with a less efficient pair of speakers like 2x12 cab with 25 watt greenbacks.
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Post by Curt on Jun 24, 2007 9:04:34 GMT -7
I''ll get flak here, but after having the vast majority on the Z line, the closest AC/DC type of tone I have stumbled across was a MAZ Jr NR head into a stock Z Best....you'd be amazed. And at gigable volumes. Right up there with your 88 would be a KT45...when cranked through 2 greenbacks.....well it's something special...but LOUD.
Now, I do not play or go for that tone on gigs, so I'm no expert, but I did wear out 2 cassette tapes of Highway to Hell so I have heard 'The" tone a few times...........'I'm a night prowler.."
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Post by taswegian on Jun 24, 2007 9:17:31 GMT -7
I''ll get flak here, but after having the vast majority on the Z line, the closest AC/DC type of tone I have stumbled across was a MAZ Jr NR head into a stock Z Best....you'd be amazed. And at gigable volumes. Right up there with your 88 would be a KT45...when cranked through 2 greenbacks.....well it's something special...but LOUD. Now, I do not play or go for that tone on gigs, so I'm no expert, but I did wear out 2 cassette tapes of Highway to Hell so I have heard 'The" tone a few times...........'I'm a night prowler.." No flak here. There isn't a Maz 18 clip I've heard yet that I didn't like. So the Maz 18 does a good "Aussie pub rock" then? ;D
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Post by billyguitar on Jun 24, 2007 9:47:09 GMT -7
You'd be seriously stressing a couple of 25 watt greenbacks with a KT45 or Delta 88.
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Post by fjam82 on Jun 24, 2007 10:51:59 GMT -7
i'm reaslly considering selling the delta for a R66 Just my two cents here and believe me, I understand money contraints! And I love the Route 66 as much as anyone on the planet. But I would advise you to hold on to the Delta. If you want another Z, then find a way to get another other than selling the one you have. The Delta is a fairly rare amp and probably won't come back into production. It's a pretty cool amp to have even if just for prosperity. It's probably all right to chop and change the steady production range (Maz's Ghia's etc) but I'd try to hang on to anything that is no longer made. I won't be selling any of mine and I plan to build the stable up as the years go by. I don't mean to sound preachy, just food for thought Sorry if I sound like I'm riding a very high horse! ;D I completely see where you're coming from and appreciate the honest outlook on this whole thing. Your post is making me think..... I really don't know what I'm going to do... but as you said, if I sell this baby, there ain't no way I'm getting another one! What may make a difference is the room I'm playing it in now,,, we live in a small house and the basement is very small. Maybe that contributes to the volume. I brought my gear to my parents house and played it in their basement and didn't feel any pain in my ears. We will be moving in a few years when we can afford to, so maybe that would be a good reason to hold on to it. thanks again!
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Post by fjam82 on Jun 24, 2007 10:54:33 GMT -7
I''ll get flak here, but after having the vast majority on the Z line, the closest AC/DC type of tone I have stumbled across was a MAZ Jr NR head into a stock Z Best....you'd be amazed. And at gigable volumes. Right up there with your 88 would be a KT45...when cranked through 2 greenbacks.....well it's something special...but LOUD. Now, I do not play or go for that tone on gigs, so I'm no expert, but I did wear out 2 cassette tapes of Highway to Hell so I have heard 'The" tone a few times...........'I'm a night prowler.." I hear where you're coming from, the Maz 18 has grit and I've never played in out of the z best. I'm going to be at the store this week and will try the maz 18 out of the z best with my rc boost and klon on clean boost and see where it takes me. thanks!
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Post by fjam82 on Jun 24, 2007 10:57:55 GMT -7
If I keep the delta, I'd like to get something like a Maz 18 or Galaxie... lower powered fenderish kind of tone to compliment the fire-breathing monster... Then we have another problem on our hands when the EZG-40 and Mazerati GT come out. I don't want to buy anything before I've tried these bad boys out! But I think GAS will get the best of me and I'll give in by the summer!!!
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Post by Dr.T on Jun 24, 2007 14:04:35 GMT -7
Whole stadium singing:
DON'T SELL THE DELTA! DON'T SELL THE DELTA! DON'T SELL THE DELTA! DON'T SELL THE DELTA!
PS 10 yers ago I had to sell my '84 SG for a Strat. No way to keep both. I'm still crying.
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Post by fjam82 on Jun 24, 2007 14:53:12 GMT -7
Right on!
I don't think I'll sell it, very very small chance. The thing is, I haven't tried all the Z's. I've yet to try an RX-ES, SRZ-65 and KT-45. So I don't know if they'll give me that raw rock tone more than the Delta will.
Also, as I mentioned above, with all the new models coming out there's going to be some serious GAS so I don't know. I just put my marshall half stack on ebay and brought my laney combo to a local music store to try and sell it through them. There's a bunch of other stuff that's been sitting there and doing nothing for years. So hopefully I can clear out the old stock and make way for some more Z's into my arsenal!
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Post by fjam82 on Jun 24, 2007 16:18:05 GMT -7
Can somebody post a clip of the Route 66 doing the ACDC tone? I'll be putting 2 clips of my Delta this evening, a take with the airbrake on level 1 and a take without the airbrake on... trying to see if the sound difference is more in my head than for real..
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Post by taswegian on Jun 24, 2007 19:30:31 GMT -7
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Post by iluvstrats on Jun 27, 2007 4:48:18 GMT -7
I think it could with a pedal but that's not it's forte. I think of ACDC tone as plexi marshall with sharper highs and the 66 as more bluesbreaker. Fat and chewy.
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Post by jcap on Sept 4, 2007 14:18:59 GMT -7
Big AC/DC fan hear (their older stuff) and I say yes it can nail the AC/DC tone when cranked. I sometimes use mine with an attentuator (Allessandro Muzzle) so I can get those same tones at lower volumes. I also sometimes use a Klon, Tim or Menatone Kar Krash for lower volume playing.
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