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Post by telemike on Oct 14, 2007 15:11:48 GMT -7
Hi there lucky Dr.z owners, new at this forum. I've been saving cash a long time now for a Dr.z amp and now it's getting close. The problem is i cant decide wich one i should get. Love the Paisley sound (especially muddi gras concert, wow what a live sound!), like Joe Walsh's sound too. Stang or RX?! For those of you who played both of them, What tonal differences are there? My guess is that the stang is a bit brighter but at the same time more Low end. Would really like to test these 2 amps and compare them, but since i live in sweden there's no dr.z amp in a radius of 2000 km (or someting) from here.
If Someone have them both i would be very happy to hear a comparison. Or just tell me wich one you like the best and why=)
That might help me straight things out a little.
Best regards, Mike
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Post by supafuzz on Oct 14, 2007 19:06:26 GMT -7
Member "benttop" is your man! He owns both and has made quite a few clips on the following site: www.gear.strayca.com/I've played both and just bought a Ray. The RXES is all over Brad's TWW album. When I think of the RXES tone, I think of the intro to Easy Money. That's pretty close to what I heard when plugging in the RXES. Good sounds, but not as voxy as some of Brad's other tones. The Ray is very voxy, built to replace Brad's old AC30/4. I don't think you can go wrong with either. Just a question of a) how much power you need/want and 2) how much "hair" you want at your fingertips. The RXES can get WAY heavier than the Ray. My .02. I think memeber "tele_jas" also owned both. Here's his site with his clips of both amps: www.guitartest.moonfruit.com/These guys are super nice and provided helpful perspective.
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Oct 14, 2007 21:43:53 GMT -7
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Post by telemike on Oct 15, 2007 1:27:03 GMT -7
Thanks guys, really helpful, i think im gonna go for the RXES. It seems a bit more allround than the stang, (if I ever want to play anything other then country i mean). Another question, what speakers do you prefer with the RX?
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Oct 15, 2007 5:50:05 GMT -7
Celestion Alnico Gold! You only need one, but two is twice as nice.
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Post by frank4001 on Oct 15, 2007 7:24:37 GMT -7
As good as the Sting Ray is it just too clean for me. If you like your dirt from pedals I'd say that's the choice. And many a great guitar player do just that. Not for me...I've tried my friend's Sting Ray and I feel the RXES is better for me because it overdrives the way it does and the input options coupled with the dose switch enable me to dial in whatever I need...I have the 2x12 combo with GB's and play strats and tele's...Its heavy but so are allot of 2x12 combo's...had a crazy thought to get a pine cab made and put in two Jensen Neo's but I just keep nit wanting to mess with a good thing..Good luck...You really can't go wrong with either.
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Post by telemike on Oct 15, 2007 7:34:55 GMT -7
Nice info guys, Im gonna order one tomorrow, a black one, would have loved a red one=) the were not in stock. How does 2 vintage' 30 work with te RX?
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Oct 15, 2007 8:07:06 GMT -7
One interesting thing about my RXES is that I've tried it with a load of different speakers here and it sounds really great with all of them. Not all of my amps are like that, but the RXES sure is. Right now I'm using a Weber ceramic Blue Dog in 50 watts configuration and the RXES is smoking hot! Loves that speaker. But when I gig I'm using the Celestion Alnico Gold and the RXES sounds great there too - just have to dial back a bit of treble is all.
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Post by billyguitar on Oct 15, 2007 11:05:52 GMT -7
If you don't need tons of volume you could save a little money and weight and get the RXjr.
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Post by telemike on Oct 15, 2007 14:47:03 GMT -7
Do they sound very mutch alike eachother? The Jr doesnt have the overdose function right? And i do want to be able to play loud once in a while, and i ordered the airbrake too. Think i will have plenty of use for that.
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Post by anacephalic on Oct 15, 2007 15:44:12 GMT -7
2 v30's with the original strength Rx was too much. a mix of a v-30 and a G12h30 is mighty sweet though
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Post by aj1169 on Oct 15, 2007 20:54:39 GMT -7
Like benttop said, I run my RxES with one Celestion Gold and it's a perfect match for this amp. Nice and sparkley but compresses just right when you get the volume up. I've got a custom cab coming with an Alnico Blue and Silver from Weber that I can't wait to try, but it'll be hard pressed to beat the Gold.
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Oct 15, 2007 21:08:41 GMT -7
My bet is it won't "beat" the gold, but it will be another very cool sounding option.
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Post by aj1169 on Oct 15, 2007 22:06:45 GMT -7
That's what I'm thinking too. I'm planning on using the 2x12 for bigger venues where I want just a tad more headroom and thump, but for everything else the Gold is king.
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Post by telemike on Oct 16, 2007 4:54:19 GMT -7
2 v30's with the original strength Rx was too much. a mix of a v-30 and a G12h30 is mighty sweet though Im not that good when it comes to speakers, why is 2 V30's to much?
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Post by dock66 on Oct 16, 2007 7:28:47 GMT -7
One Gold is great , two Golds are BAD ;D ;D.
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Post by telemike on Oct 16, 2007 11:10:10 GMT -7
One Gold is great , two Golds are BAD ;D ;D. Care to explain why?=) Planing on bying one celestion G12H30 and one vintage 30 and maybe build myself ca cab, scince almost all of my money went on the RXES and airbreak today:P
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Post by dock66 on Oct 16, 2007 12:39:24 GMT -7
One Gold is great , two Golds are BAD ;D ;D. Care to explain why?=) Planing on bying one celestion G12H30 and one vintage 30 and maybe build myself ca cab, scince almost all of my money went on the RXES and airbreak today:P My bad...two Golds = double the tonal sweetness. For most of what I do a single Gold is plenty,although I love the two Golds that I use in Z open back cab,that is one of my all time fav cab.Another combo is a pair of Blue Dog and Silver Bell .
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Oct 16, 2007 14:09:27 GMT -7
Two golds is twice the fun! I have both wired to independent jacks on the back of the cab. That way I can use an A/B/Y switch and run both the Stingray AND the RXES. Then the secret weapon is the combine button... mu-ha-ha-HA-HA-HAAAAAA!
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Post by telemike on Oct 16, 2007 14:58:31 GMT -7
Two golds is twice the fun! I have both wired to independent jacks on the back of the cab. That way I can use an A/B/Y switch and run both the Stingray AND the RXES. Then the secret weapon is the combine button... mu-ha-ha-HA-HA-HAAAAAA! Lycky bastard:D Thats a really nice rig, cool running them togehter like that. Wish i could afford a Z-best cab but they are so darn expensive here in europe. Would like to try the avatar cab's they seem very nice for its price, but no, they dont shipp to sweden. Living here is not an advantage for a guitarplayer Just have to get some good blueprints of a cab and build my own. Never done it before. Anybody got some good tips? Cheers
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Oct 16, 2007 18:10:45 GMT -7
I have my Golds in a THD 2x12 cab for now, but I'm half tempted to put them in my Z 2x12 - I love that cab. At least this way the Z cab isn't getting beat up, and I get to have it in my studio for recording. Here's my double-headed tone monster:
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Post by Chris_Ferreira on Oct 16, 2007 22:56:41 GMT -7
2 v30's with the original strength Rx was too much. a mix of a v-30 and a G12h30 is mighty sweet though Im not that good when it comes to speakers, why is 2 V30's to much? I am very far from an expert on speakers (or gear in general), but I can tell you that the Vintage 30 can be a pretty nasally speaker. It seems to have a pronounced upper mid thing going on, which is complemented well in a 2x12 config with the H30, which seems to have a big low-end presence. They sound really great together, and I will be getting a Z-Best when I get around to selling my own cab, they're definitely amazing sounding cabs. The RX ES isn't well served though, in my opinion, by just the Vintage 30. I have one on loan in a Mesa DC-3 combo, and I brought it to a rehearsal once, and it's the only time my RX ES ever sounded bad. It exaggerated the upper mids in a most unpleasant way, as if I were running through a wah pedal and had forgotten to turn it off. You really lose a lot of the warmth in the bass response of the amp. That experience pretty much put me off V30's forever. Back on topic, I too chose the RX ES over the Stangray, and having played through both, I know I made the right decision. Both certainly great amps though....
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Post by ruger9 on Oct 17, 2007 4:01:11 GMT -7
The Jr doesnt have the overdose function right? The Jr DOES have the Overdose function... AND a Master Volume.
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Post by telemike on Oct 17, 2007 7:30:42 GMT -7
Im not that good when it comes to speakers, why is 2 V30's to much? I am very far from an expert on speakers (or gear in general), but I can tell you that the Vintage 30 can be a pretty nasally speaker. It seems to have a pronounced upper mid thing going on, which is complemented well in a 2x12 config with the H30, which seems to have a big low-end presence. They sound really great together, and I will be getting a Z-Best when I get around to selling my own cab, they're definitely amazing sounding cabs. The RX ES isn't well served though, in my opinion, by just the Vintage 30. I have one on loan in a Mesa DC-3 combo, and I brought it to a rehearsal once, and it's the only time my RX ES ever sounded bad. It exaggerated the upper mids in a most unpleasant way, as if I were running through a wah pedal and had forgotten to turn it off. You really lose a lot of the warmth in the bass response of the amp. That experience pretty much put me off V30's forever. Back on topic, I too chose the RX ES over the Stangray, and having played through both, I know I made the right decision. Both certainly great amps though.... ok, good info, think ill buy a G12H30 and replace one of my V30s then. Glad too hear that the winner is RXES now that i bought that one=) Mine looks like benttop's, all black with tolex front. Cant wait till' next week! Mine is without the footswitch wich i think i will miss. Really good to be able to flip on the overdose for solos.
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Post by frank4001 on Oct 17, 2007 10:12:15 GMT -7
Doc walked me through the footswitch mod(pretty cool huh?)...I took notes to my tech. He told me that it was very simple to do...still havn't done it but if you have someone competent its probably easy...there are extra holes in the chassis too I think...Check with the Doc.
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Post by telemike on Oct 17, 2007 13:39:24 GMT -7
Doc walked me through the footswitch mod(pretty cool huh?)...I took notes to my tech. He told me that it was very simple to do...still havn't done it but if you have someone competent its probably easy...there are extra holes in the chassis too I think...Check with the Doc. Does the amps leave the factory with the footswitch configuration always nowadays? Or is that just alternative option that you have to ask for?
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Post by Chris_Ferreira on Oct 17, 2007 19:43:29 GMT -7
ok, good info, think ill buy a G12H30 and replace one of my V30s then. Glad too hear that the winner is RXES now that i bought that one=) Mine looks like benttop's, all black with tolex front. Cant wait till' next week! Mine is without the footswitch wich i think i will miss. Really good to be able to flip on the overdose for solos. That two-tone look is definitely very sharp, congrats! Are you buying it used? Otherwise, I don't see why it wouldn't come with the footswitch....
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Post by telemike on Oct 18, 2007 0:23:14 GMT -7
ok, good info, think ill buy a G12H30 and replace one of my V30s then. Glad too hear that the winner is RXES now that i bought that one=) Mine looks like benttop's, all black with tolex front. Cant wait till' next week! Mine is without the footswitch wich i think i will miss. Really good to be able to flip on the overdose for solos. That two-tone look is definitely very sharp, congrats! Are you buying it used? Otherwise, I don't see why it wouldn't come with the footswitch.... Yes i guess it will look nice=) No, im buying it new, but i think he's got only one in stock and that didnt came with FS, made in spring this year. I'm buying it from germany.
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Post by anacephalic on Oct 22, 2007 14:37:37 GMT -7
Im not that good when it comes to speakers, why is 2 V30's to much?
the Rx is a pretty forward amp and two v-30's could get pretty ice picky sometimes. in some rooms the combination sounded great but in others the mids would kill ya. Once i swapped a H30 for a v30 all those issues went away
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Post by 95strat on Oct 23, 2007 12:24:39 GMT -7
I've been using a V30 with my Rx Jr and can say that is does have a pronounced mid range hump. I'm swooping it for a G12H.
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