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Post by greggorypeccary on Mar 10, 2008 2:23:34 GMT -7
Hey all,
I got a Maz 18NR a few months ago and it sounds awesome! But, when I get it loud enough to play with the band it gets too dirty for my taste. It's plenty loud enough, it's more of a headroom thing. I assume the Maz38 will have a good amount more headroom on tap at a good volume level? I'm not looking for the "overdriven blues" tones that seem to be the thing these days, I like a tone that's clean and fat (w/maybe a little bite) and step on an OD for leads.
So will the 38 fit the bill? (I think I already know the answer, just want some confirmation here!)
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Post by m1911 on Mar 10, 2008 3:36:24 GMT -7
Yes.....just don't turn the "Volume" knob past noon on either amp and you should be fine. Mark
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Post by Buzz Fretwear (Ignatius) on Mar 10, 2008 5:19:41 GMT -7
I have a Maz 38 that I bought because I like a foundation tone that is "mostly" clean and fat (i.e., with just a hint of hair on it, just to the point where the amp sounds like it's starting to work) and I'm finding that it is too loud. I use an Airbrake with it everywhere, and it's a rare occasion that I'll turn off the attenuation. In some venues at the end of the night when things get crazy I'll turn it off, but that's rare. I'm barely using the 38's power.
Are you using your Jr with the low input, master vol cranked all the way, and then set volume to taste? Also, check out at Eminence Tonker speaker, it's a very efficient and insanely loud 12.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2008 6:13:52 GMT -7
I use the Maz 38. I have the Master anywhere between half to 3/4 and the volume about 1/4. At that volume in a medium sized club its pretty loud and sometimes I'm asked to turn down a bit. I find it very clean. I use pedals to get anywhere from slightly over driven to high gain. In answer to whether you should move up to the Maz 38, I would think that if clean headroom was your priority that you should be playing the 38 senior.Your band must be unbelievably loud though. My band is very loud and I find that I don't need no where near half the volume of the Maz 38. I haven't used the Maz 18 but I would think if you had the Master wide open it would be very very loud with the volume at half.
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Post by greggorypeccary on Mar 10, 2008 7:29:39 GMT -7
Thanks for the replies so far! So what I'm reading here is that the Sr. is really loud, huh? I'd hate to go to the other extreme and have something that sounds weak if I have to keep it at too low of a volume.
I'm still experimenting with my Jr. and did find that with the master up and the volume lower it was better. The late break-up JJ's were an improvement. I was also trying out some new speakers yesterday, so that might have added to the harshness a bit.
My band isn't that loud, what I really need to do is get the drummer to lighten up a little during the verses.
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Post by Buzz Fretwear (Ignatius) on Mar 10, 2008 7:51:03 GMT -7
Thanks for the replies so far! So what I'm reading here is that the Sr. is really loud, huh? I'm still experimenting with my Jr. and did find that with the master up and the volume lower it was better. Yeah, the 38 is really, really loud. If you haven't already, try running the master wide open on your Jr, use the low input, and then adjust volume to taste. Let us know how it works out.
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Post by fishman on Mar 10, 2008 18:17:03 GMT -7
MAZ38+Tonker=Half-Stack Killer plenty of headroom, as mentioned you may get what you want out of your 18 by using a Tonker and perhaps lowering the gain stage with a 12AT-AY etc. If not, the 38 will take care of business.
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Post by billyguitar on Mar 11, 2008 10:59:52 GMT -7
The Maz 38 is about the same volume as a Super Reverb or Pro Reverb, allowing for the different speakers. If that's not loud enough your drummer is too loud and making everybody kill their ears.
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Post by harry on Mar 11, 2008 21:55:29 GMT -7
I have both the Jr and Sr and love having the flexibility. It depends on your venue size, guitar pu's (single/HB) etc., sometimes a good haircut does it for me. OK, thats not true but you know what I mean.
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Post by Stylemaster on Mar 12, 2008 8:28:59 GMT -7
I assume the Maz38 will have a good amount more headroom on tap at a good volume level? I'm not looking for the "overdriven blues" tones that seem to be the thing these days, I like a tone that's clean and fat (w/maybe a little bite) and step on an OD for leads. So will the 38 fit the bill? In a word, yes. I haven't used it with a band yet but I bought it for the same reason you are thinking of moving up to it. It is a very loud amp but there are endless ways to tweak tone and gain with the controls you are already familiar with. Speaker choice can be tailored to your needs. I highly recommend the MAZ Sr. as a solution for you.
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Post by guitarboy02451 on Mar 12, 2008 14:34:20 GMT -7
38 would do that... But if budget isn't an issue... I'd keep both. A/B for solos, or use the 18 for small jam sessions. Yes, the 38 is loud, but you can always get a Z-Brake, which is a must on the 38.
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Post by greggorypeccary on Mar 14, 2008 4:29:06 GMT -7
I think I'll be on the hunt for a Maz38NR head now, it sounds like it might work better for my needs.
Thanks for the help!
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Post by Buzz Fretwear (Ignatius) on Mar 14, 2008 5:26:48 GMT -7
I have a Maz 38 that I bought because I like a foundation tone that is "mostly" clean and fat (i.e., with just a hint of hair on it, just to the point where the amp sounds like it's starting to work) and I'm finding that it is too loud. I use an Airbrake with it everywhere, and it's a rare occasion that I'll turn off the attenuation. In some venues at the end of the night when things get crazy I'll turn it off, but that's rare. I'm barely using the 38's power. Are you using your Jr with the low input, master vol cranked all the way, and then set volume to taste? Also, check out at Eminence Tonker speaker, it's a very efficient and insanely loud 12. Just so ya know, as I said in this reply (above) that I posted earlier in this thread, I like to set up my amp the same way as you and I think I've decided the Maz 38 is too much of a good thing. I'm leaning very heavily toward getting a Maz 18 and taking steps to ensure good headroom (Eminence Tonker speaker, maybe some tube swaps). Maybe your band is insanely loud. Our band is moderately loud and even on some of the larger stages we play I'm still Airbraking my Maz 38. I got the Maz 38 for the same reasons as you're considering - I wanted a mostly clean foundation out of the amp with enough power to make sure it could hang in loud situations, but I'm barely opening up the volume when I don't use the airbrake. Good luck!
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Post by greggorypeccary on Mar 14, 2008 8:01:43 GMT -7
Thanks ignatius, I'm taking that under advisement! I'll keep working with the 18 for a while, I'm still learning how to dial it in. I think a 5751 in v1, late break-up el84s, cranking the master might do the trick. I also think if I put my 2x10 vertically might help too. I'll be jamming with some different folks tonight so I'll get to hear it in a different setting than usual.
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Post by mrdownchild on Mar 20, 2008 19:36:48 GMT -7
I'm a hardcore 38 man. I think it's a great amp. I play in medium-sized clubs and have never had a complaint about the volume. My attraction with this particular amp lies in it's ability to sound fat and slightly distorted without getting that saturated sound. It's always well-defined notes cascading out of this tone machine.
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Post by Teleman on Mar 23, 2008 6:31:16 GMT -7
I had the same experience as you. Loved the 18 but needed more headroom. The Maz 38 might have done the trick but I ended up getting an RXES. Worked out killer for my situation.
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Post by greggorypeccary on Mar 23, 2008 13:53:27 GMT -7
Just an update, I went with a Galaxie. A completely different flavor, but I've always been a Fender guy so it's sort of like home...but better!
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