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Post by shendrie on Jan 6, 2008 18:56:00 GMT -7
Hi there - Not sure if this should be in the speaker section but here goes...
I am currently have a Maz 38 Sr. Head that is in the shop. It was only a month or so old before it had to go into the shop... and my cabinet (Z-Best) had not arrived yet before it went in for repair. While my head is in for repair the store gave me a Maz 38 2x12 combo to borrow.
I am really digging the sound of the combo (it has the standard V30/G12H30 speakers).
I get the call from the shop saying my Z-Best (same standard speakers) was in so I head on over to the shop to grab it figuring I will just plug the "head" part of the combo in the Z-Best and give it a spin.
Holy moly is there ever a lot of low end in the Z-Best cabinet. The problem I am looking for some feedback on is regarding some specific boominess of the Z-Best.
This seems like an odd problem to me... When I play the B note and up (C, C#, D, etc...) on the low E string the sound is unbelievably boomy to the point where it is unusable. It is almost like the cabinet is resonating on this particular B note and just makes it leap out over and above everything else. I play a strat most of the time.
When I am playing the combo there is no sign whatsoever of this behavior.
The B note on the A string is also fine with the Z-Best.
I thought maybe it was standing wave problem (but should have effected the combo as well) so I moved everything to another part of the house but still the same problem.
I know there is a few of you out there with the Maz 38/Z-best/Strat combination and was wondering if anyone else has experienced this?
I am really considering just going with the combo because I don't see a simple fix for this. Love the sound of the Z-Best as well but I can't just avoid those notes.
Thanks.
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Post by fishman on Jan 6, 2008 19:06:17 GMT -7
You could try lowering the pickup untill the boominess is gone....I had to do that when I switched to Z amps, don;t take much but it makes a big difference. There was no sign of the boom with my old fenders but when I switched to Z's I was boomin like a marching band....lowered the pickups, mainly my neck one on my strat and that was that.. Funny, my LP did not have the same problem...
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Post by shendrie on Jan 6, 2008 19:18:30 GMT -7
I will give that a shot... When you had the problem was it across all notes of just some? Like I mentioned, the problem really on starts on the B note on up on the Low E string... If I play open E, F, G, A, A# it is fine and then BOOM on the B note.
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Post by shendrie on Jan 7, 2008 7:10:01 GMT -7
Tried lowering the pickups... Still the same results (albiet a little bit softer). I also dragged out my other guitars and the problem is there regardless of what guitar I use so I suspect it has something to do with the way the Z-Best resonates at that particular note (B note, Low E String).
I don't have another amp to plug into the cabinet, so I don't know if the problem is related exclusively to the Maz however as I mentioned before the 2x12 speakers in the combo sound fine and even across all notes.
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Post by messenger on Jan 7, 2008 10:57:01 GMT -7
turn down your bass
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Post by shendrie on Jan 7, 2008 13:51:22 GMT -7
I have tried turning down the bass, but all that did was diminish the overall bass, it did not fix the problem I seem to be having...
It is not that the overall sound is too boomy (in fact it sounds pretty darn good) it is only on the specific note (B on low E string... and then a few frets above that as well) that the bass sound just swells right up. I guess it is hard to describe but if you play whole notes on the low E moving up one fret at a time, it all sounds great and then at the 7th fret it just seems that suddenly the whole room and cabinet is consumed with low end and no definition on the top.
Zandiego - I see on your reply that you have the same setup and I am going to assume you don't have this issue so I am thinking it may still have something to do with the room my gear is in (even though I moved it to another room)... I remember from my recording days that some room dimensions can create standing waves or accentuate certain notes. This may be the case... but then I would think the same results would be there with the combo.
Maybe I will bring it outside and annoy the neighbors... that will at least eliminate the room.
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Post by mds on Jan 7, 2008 13:57:25 GMT -7
The room might be the culprit. If I play my ZBest in my little studio room, it booms a lot if the bass is up at all. On stages its fine, it larger rooms its fine. Smaller rooms can have pretty serious resonances and the ZBest pumps out so much air that it will exacerbate the problem is some rooms...
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Post by shendrie on Jan 7, 2008 17:29:13 GMT -7
Thanks for everyones input on this one... the problem is indeed the room. I moved it to another room with very different dimensions and the problem is gone. Of course the "boom room" is the home studio so that is not a good thing... I think I may try and hunt down an open back 1x12 cabinet for that sort of playing.
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Post by fishman on Jan 7, 2008 19:25:35 GMT -7
I had the problem only on the bass E on f#-A-B-C#-D and maybe one spot on the A. I have an Avatar BluesBreaker Cab, and it may well be that a certain freq. it over resonates. After dropping the pickups it went away...I can make it happen if I really bang the h@ll out of the string, but in the course of playing its a non issue now... I never knew that a room could be the cause of the trouble... I will pay closer attention to that detail...
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Post by mds on Jan 9, 2008 11:38:03 GMT -7
This isn't the cheapest solution in the world, but you might consider some room treatment. Check out gikacoustics.com or readytraps.com. They sell bass traps that help educe room nulls that kill and over emphasize resonant frequencies in a room. They're a must for mixing and recording in small square rooms for the very reasons you're experiencing...
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Post by kruzty on Jan 9, 2008 11:52:36 GMT -7
I think it is pretty telling that it happens with a B on the low E string, but not with a B on the A string. I've noticed this with some amp/guitar/room combinations, too. I think it is just that the E string is bigger so it has that much more output. If a note is in the right frequency range, it becomes way more obvious. That's my thought on it, anyway.
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Post by guitarboy02451 on Jan 12, 2008 11:34:40 GMT -7
The Z-best is a very tight cabinet, in contrast to the open back cabs you are used too. Here is one suggestion. Get it off the floor! Marshall 4x12's come on casters which raise the cab about 3 inches off the floor.
You could achieve the same affect by getting two 2x4's and setting the cab on those and getting the cab about 2" inches off the floor.
I purchased the Auralex Gramma and that resolves a lot of the issues. Bue like I said, if you dind't want to spend $50 on the grammma, you could bet a couple of 2x4's and set the cab up off the floor.
That may do the trick. BTW, I run my bass around 9am - 10am depending on guitar. It's just a tight cab. Nothing you can do but try something else.... Open 1x12's etc..
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Post by shendrie on Jan 30, 2008 17:50:09 GMT -7
Thanks for everyone's comments.
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Post by eyeballkidd on Feb 26, 2008 0:41:08 GMT -7
It's the room...
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