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Post by mrweems on Dec 6, 2007 13:40:54 GMT -7
I have a 18w jr. And its loud. i mean its pretty loud. And it cuts through.
But with the 38 i hear its more clean headroom. I don't relaly push my maz to breakup naturally.
Though the thought of a Maz SR 2x12 w/ alnico blues sounds very delicious.
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Post by paulgiz2 on Dec 6, 2007 14:58:26 GMT -7
It's not too much for me!!
You can use the master and cut to get some grit, but the big Maz has more clean, more girth, more bass than Jr. Personally, I want my amp to be as least as fat as I am.
P.
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Post by mrweems on Dec 6, 2007 15:02:32 GMT -7
One thing i have noticed on the maz jr. Is that the higher up on the fret i got the more trebly it gets and somtimes its rather ear piercing.
That may be the 10's working its thing. But sometimes its just not woofy enough on the hihger freted notes.
The possiblity of a 38sr 2x12 is definately in my vision at one point in my life.
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Post by fishman on Dec 6, 2007 15:54:53 GMT -7
38's are never too much.......
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Post by mrweems on Dec 7, 2007 18:43:51 GMT -7
38's are never too much....... well i'm thinking of doing a dual rig. JCM 800 2204/ Fargen Olde 800 and a Maz. But i think the 800 would drown out my current 18w JR. The only reason i'm asking. Is the jr is already loud. But will the 38 be TOO loud?
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Post by fishman on Dec 7, 2007 20:02:23 GMT -7
With the standard speaker it is not as loud as it can be, I changed to a Tonker and thats loud. But with the MV on this amp that really works I can play a room with 20 people and not kill anyone. Never could do that with my marshalls, except my BB combo, wish I would have held that one... IMHO, I think the 38 is controllable enough at the amp to be able to do just about anything you want it to do. If it seems too loud you could alway switch out to a more "inefficient" speaker, play with a tube or two and that would help as well. Check with some other players, like Buddy W .. and see what he has to say, Myles can add and offer some really good advice. Like I said, 38's are never too much and MAZ Sr;s are not either.
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Post by mrweems on Dec 8, 2007 10:45:15 GMT -7
Good point. Hmm.
Well I guess if i see a used maz sr in black tolex for a good price with reverb and with 2x12 i will hit.
ha, lets see those odds come up.
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Post by fishman on Dec 8, 2007 11:57:03 GMT -7
JMHO, I would opt for a head cab config. I have the combo but I would like to run this baby thru a 4-12 and see what she can do. I love the combo, but I am thinking I am going to ask the Doc if I can by a head cab so I can have both, or make one myself , either way that would be the best of both worlds I think.
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Post by mrweems on Dec 8, 2007 15:12:43 GMT -7
JMHO, I would opt for a head cab config. I have the combo but I would like to run this baby thru a 4-12 and see what she can do. I love the combo, but I am thinking I am going to ask the Doc if I can by a head cab so I can have both, or make one myself , either way that would be the best of both worlds I think. yeah. i have thought about that as well. but i was really wanting a combo for a road case. is there really that much difference with the combo and head? Like i said i'm also going to be pairing a Fargen JCM 800 2204 clone next to it. And it will be a 2x12... Though i have to say a maz sr running into some celestion blues would sound really really nice. Though different wattage would it blow the celestions? i think i read on here that it wouldn't. But i would be nice to know.
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Post by propellr on Dec 8, 2007 20:05:06 GMT -7
mrweems,
I have the Maz 38 Sr NR 2x10 combo and love it. I wanted a 2x12 combo (it sounds GREAT), but I picked one up-- then, put it DOWN. If you want the 2x12, move to a house with no stairs.
a simple prop
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Post by jwr on Dec 9, 2007 10:48:14 GMT -7
The Maz Sr works very well with a JCM 800, depending on how you set up the Sr it can sound like the Marshall's cousin if you get my drift. Lot's more low end than the Jr and does Fender cleans way better than the Jr as well.
Go for a Maz Sr head w/ Reverb: 2X12 open back cab with blues=Vox 2X12 Z-Best or 4X12=Marshall 4X10 Z open back cab=Fender Super
With these 3 cabs and a couple of quick tube swaps this amp can do the job of 3 amps easily. Jason
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Post by LittleBlindShakey on Dec 9, 2007 11:23:16 GMT -7
mrweems, My belief is that you can always dirty up a clean amp, but you can't always clean up a dirty amp. IMHO
If you are willing to use effects or a Air Brake then I suggest you consider having a bias toward an amp with extra clean headroom.
If you don't like effects/pedals, then you are kind of faced with buying one of each... (All this assumes you play more than one style of music in more that one venue).
Good luck and remember what fishman said, to loud is never to loud... ;D
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Post by mrweems on Dec 9, 2007 14:14:56 GMT -7
The Maz Sr works very well with a JCM 800, depending on how you set up the Sr it can sound like the Marshall's cousin if you get my drift. Lot's more low end than the Jr and does Fender cleans way better than the Jr as well. Go for a Maz Sr head w/ Reverb: 2X12 open back cab with blues=Vox 2X12 Z-Best or 4X12=Marshall 4X10 Z open back cab=Fender Super With these 3 cabs and a couple of quick tube swaps this amp can do the job of 3 amps easily. Jason This is what i have been thinking about. the 2x12 with blues of course! But i was toying around with my maz jr and i really have a feeling it could possibly hold its own next to an 800. So now my question leads to. Do you think a maz jr could hold its own next to an 800 in the same rig? I'm trying to do this with as little frustration as possible. Meaning getting another maz and an 800. thats a lot of dough.
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Post by jwr on Dec 10, 2007 8:35:20 GMT -7
In my opinion if your looking for JCM800 tones then buy a JCM800. The Jr. does Marshall very well, but in it's own way. I'd never compare a Jr. to my Silver Jubilee JCM800, at least for high gain. For the low to medium gain tones they'll have some similarities, but if your a die hard 800 guy then you might think about hunting one down(An old one, not the new reissue models).
As far as volume the Jr and a 50 watt JCM could be in the same ballpark with the right cab and speakers. My 65amps London is 18 watts and it sits quite nicely right next t my 40 watt Carr Slant 6V, both go thru 2X12 cabs.
So if your trying to cover dirty tones with the Jr and clean tones with the Maz Sr. you would be on the right track. And with the right pedals, cabs and speakers those 2 amps can cover a LOT of ground in an A/B rig. GOOD LUCK!!!!! Jason
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Post by mrweems on Dec 11, 2007 1:13:22 GMT -7
In my opinion if your looking for JCM800 tones then buy a JCM800. The Jr. does Marshall very well, but in it's own way. I'd never compare a Jr. to my Silver Jubilee JCM800, at least for high gain. For the low to medium gain tones they'll have some similarities, but if your a die hard 800 guy then you might think about hunting one down(An old one, not the new reissue models). As far as volume the Jr and a 50 watt JCM could be in the same ballpark with the right cab and speakers. My 65amps London is 18 watts and it sits quite nicely right next t my 40 watt Carr Slant 6V, both go thru 2X12 cabs. So if your trying to cover dirty tones with the Jr and clean tones with the Maz Sr. you would be on the right track. And with the right pedals, cabs and speakers those 2 amps can cover a LOT of ground in an A/B rig. GOOD LUCK!!!!! Jason Thats an intersting perspective. But i meant having a Maz and JCM 800. Running both at the same time for a combined tone. Using both amps traits to make a huge noise! Basically i'd want the tone and characteristics of the maz to shine through and then hit the setup with a higher gain dirt pedal and let the 800 do what it does best. I keep going over my thoughts and after your post it seems most logical to attack that situation with the Senior rather than a jr, b/c with the competing volume levels the junior might break up to quickly. But i've been running it pretty loud lately and it over powers my singers Mesa REctoverb occasionally.
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