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Post by sdlogan9 on Oct 12, 2007 16:54:27 GMT -7
Has anyone tried a HolyGrail reverb pedal through their Maz38nr - is it good?? have you compared or a/b'ed it to a Maz38/w Reverb ?
Thanks for your input
Peace Shane
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Post by Mogens on Oct 13, 2007 5:56:58 GMT -7
I own a Maz 38 with reverb, but also have a Germino Club 40 top, that does'nt have reverb. I bought a Holy Grail reverb for the Germino top (that is kind of a Marshall JTM50 model). After some time the pedal got silent and a switch had to be changed. OK service from my local dealer. But to me there is absolutely no comparison between the great sounding reverb in my Maz 38 SR (that I by the way only use in low to moderate amount) and the little very noisy reverb-pedal combined with my Germino Club 40. I don't think, it sounds good. But ok it is very cheap - got mine for $114 - but if you intend to have a little or more reverb turned on the whole time, I find it irritatingly noisy and only acceptable "reverb-wise" in a few settings, most of the other settings is hopeless. To be honest I actually was happy once with the pedal, when I used it for the old FleetwoodMac/Peter Green number: "Loved another woman" for some high ceiling bathroom reverb stuff. Maybe one should try Van Amps Reverbamate, but it's expensive - and I don't know, how it goes with Dr Z, and then again cheaper to buy your Dr Z with reverb.
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Post by propellr on Oct 13, 2007 19:30:17 GMT -7
mogens, is the noise your reverb or is it just the way the Bogner takes a pedal. Would you try the Holy Grail with your Maz without its own reverb, then the Maz's reverb, and get back to us with a report?
Many thanks,
propellr
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Post by Mogens on Oct 14, 2007 1:43:05 GMT -7
Sorry guys, but untill now it never occurred to me trying the Holy Grail with my Maz 38 SR, since it already has reverb. I bought it for my Germino Club 40 with 6V6 tubes (http://www.germinoamps.com/) not a Bogner by the way. But, but, but.... I have sold the pedal two days ago, after I gave it a second try! It had some kind of constant metallic hiss or background noise, that I don't think was a defect, but just how it sounded. I remember, we also tried it in my friend's Marshall JTM 45, and it was about the same result - reverb that "could be used", but not something you would like to have turned on through a whole set. Will there be significant differences to whether you have EL84 tubes, 6V6 or 6L6 tubes in the amp regarding pedals and noise? (I am absolutely no technician, so it is just my opinion, but on another discussion-board about gear here in Denmark we had some comments on the Grail, and it seemed "wellknown", that it is noisy according to that discussion)
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Post by propellr on Oct 14, 2007 16:04:22 GMT -7
mogens,
I meant Germino. Sorry. I meant no disrespect; I just wasn't paying attention. I think the circuit is more important than the design of the tubes with regard to the way an amp responds to a pedal (but I'm no tech, either). I'm sure the reverb tank on the Maz is superior to the pedal; I just thought that if yo'd had a chance to A/B them, we'd know by how much the Maz's reverb excels over the Holy Grail.
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Post by azatplayer on Oct 14, 2007 21:29:21 GMT -7
I have a Maz 18 NR. I was on a budget:-( But ive just ordered a a Maz Jr with reverb for my brother so will be able to hear a Z verb. I have a Line 6 Verbzilla, which is the best pedal in this line, that works well with the loop. I dont have the Holy Grail, but i do have a Holier Grail, and thru the loop its very nice. I have never really heard a reverb on an amp that i thought was perfect. At least with a pedal you have more parameters to play with. For me it does it. But i will find out soon how the Z verb is and maybe i will regret not getting one! The EH is a great pedal IMO. I have a Deluxe Memory Man that i always have on. Great tool.
I guess i kind of thought that for 200 dollars xtra that covered the Holier Grail. Cheers
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Post by bluzman on Oct 15, 2007 8:11:34 GMT -7
I don't have a Maz 38 but I have used a HG with a NR Maz Jr. 2x12 and it did an ok job. Mine wasn't noisy at all!!
Instead though I recommend a Little Lanilei spring reverb an 8" Accutronics 3 spring tank with an FET driven power section and two controls Gain and Blend. This is a nice REAL outboard reverb for about $200.00.
PT
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Post by twst on Oct 15, 2007 8:29:35 GMT -7
I have a Maz 38 w/verb and also have a Holy Grail that I use with a '65 Fender Deluxe. I have used the HG with the Maz and I think it sounds good. Maybe not a good as the Maz reverb, but I dont think you can beat it for the price. If I had a Maz NR, I would use the HG and it wouldn't bother me at all.
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Post by BW on Oct 15, 2007 10:17:07 GMT -7
Has anyone tried a HolyGrail reverb pedal through their Maz38nr - is it good?? have you compared or a/b'ed it to a Maz38/w Reverb ? Thanks for your input Peace Shane AMARILLO?! Texas Z delegation just bumped up a notch, am I right or Amarilla? I like my onboard 'verb too, Shane, 'cept for I have the reverb tub out of the head shell and carry it around on the road w/ me to keep it from self destructing in a plane/bus. Dave Millsap in Ft Worth has one of those Repli-Reptile-repro-(dang, whatever they're called) pedals, and it sounds really good. never tried the Holy Grail but i' have heard they can be pretty noisy, although I've heard that they also sound pretty good!
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Post by billyguitar on Oct 15, 2007 11:02:24 GMT -7
I have a Holy Grail and a Van Amps Soul Mate (or Sole Mate?). The H G works fine for me but the V A is exactly what a spring reverb ought to be. In general though, I don't care for a reverb in front of an amp.
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Post by sdlogan9 on Oct 15, 2007 11:33:01 GMT -7
Has anyone tried a HolyGrail reverb pedal through their Maz38nr - is it good?? have you compared or a/b'ed it to a Maz38/w Reverb ? Thanks for your input Peace Shane AMARILLO?! Texas Z delegation just bumped up a notch, am I right or Amarilla? I like my onboard 'verb too, Shane, 'cept for I have the reverb tub out of the head shell and carry it around on the road w/ me to keep it from self destructing in a plane/bus. Dave Millsap in Ft Worth has one of those Repli-Reptile-repro-(dang, whatever they're called) pedals, and it sounds really good. never tried the Holy Grail but i' have heard they can be pretty noisy, although I've heard that they also sound pretty good! I am Sorry Mr. Whittington - but the whole "Z-Nation" here in "A"town is on strike untill you make an appearance @ www.bourbonstreetcafe.com/" Cough cough,, excuse me, " I mean yes I live in Amarillo, Tx.. All Jokes' aside!! I know you are a serious man.. All of us geetar enthusiast here in Amarillo "A" Town would love you to bless us with a F'n Killer - Top notch, dirty, stanky, blues show !!!! Disclaimer - I have no affiliation with Bourbon Street Cafe' - I just really love to eat great Cajun food, listening to smoken blues bands, while drinking a " Bare Knuckle Stout" and puffin' on a Herbert Terrington..... What ever that is.. Although I have had my share of Macanudos' I might say. Peace Shane
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Post by BW on Oct 15, 2007 13:29:19 GMT -7
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Post by Curt on Oct 15, 2007 14:08:31 GMT -7
Has anyone tried a HolyGrail reverb pedal through their Maz38nr - is it good?? have you compared or a/b'ed it to a Maz38/w Reverb ? Thanks for your input Peace Shane AMARILLO?! Texas Z delegation just bumped up a notch, am I right or Amarilla? I like my onboard 'verb too, Shane, 'cept for I have the reverb tub out of the head shell and carry it around on the road w/ me to keep it from self destructing in a plane/bus. Dave Millsap in Ft Worth has one of those Repli-Reptile-repro-(dang, whatever they're called) pedals, and it sounds really good. never tried the Holy Grail but i' have heard they can be pretty noisy, although I've heard that they also sound pretty good! Uh..Bud...Dave's 'Verb box is a T-Rex Room Mate And it sounds GOOD! Texas Z legion is growing strong
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Post by sdlogan9 on Oct 15, 2007 14:26:54 GMT -7
ahh.. thanks for the info - Herbert Tareyton - can a old chap buy these anymore?? - Dont forget " A " town - Amarillo, when you are filling your calender for gig dates ;D There is a new concert venu here in amarillo - besides Bourbon St.,, that u could play also - Joe Bonamassa has played there twice now in the past year @@! The acoustics there is absolutely stunning.. www.globenewscenter.com/It has originally been designed for Opera. But is the kinda place that would sell out the Bluesbreakers. And probably provide some of the best acoustics for filming or recording live.. I think it seats 1000- 2000 people if I were to guess. Very beautiful and personal, place to watch a concert - There is not a bad seat in the house !!!! Anyways ill get off the harasment.. I am sure you are pulled every direction to play somewhere. Peace Shane
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Post by BW on Oct 16, 2007 6:54:22 GMT -7
last time i played Amarillo, it was at a joint called Fuzzy's, a L_O_N_G time ago, and Point Blank was playin' across the street the same night at ...Municipal Auditorium? Think that's right. Can't get the 'organization' (and I use the term loosely) that books John to get us gigs in Texas, driving today from New York to Minneapolis with NOT ONE gig in between, looks like we coulda played Erie, Pittsburg, Cleveland, Cincy, Indy, Chicago, Detroit, Madison,...you get the idea. if anybody needs us for a birthday party or bar/bat mitzvah we're available as a trio....
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Post by redgl on Oct 16, 2007 7:18:28 GMT -7
Hey Buddy. There's a nice room in my neck of the Chicago area that might take your trio on short notice. Wouldn't hurt to try www.pearlroomconcerts.com 708-479-5356 (that is if you're not in Minneapolis already). I have a Maz Sr you can use if you don't have anything with you in the car.
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Post by kruzty on Oct 16, 2007 7:38:24 GMT -7
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Post by Don on Oct 16, 2007 11:28:03 GMT -7
There's a song by the name of "Young & Dumb" that has the lyric, "... he's readin' the New Testament, smokin' a Herbert Tareyton ..." GREAT tune written by a guy down in Texas.
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Post by Curt on Oct 16, 2007 17:08:06 GMT -7
There's a song by the name of "Young & Dumb" that has the lyric, "... he's readin' the New Testament, smokin' a Herbert Tareyton ..." GREAT tune written by a guy down in Texas. Naw Don, You have the name messed up..that'n's called; "Fulla Giz"
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Post by BW on Oct 18, 2007 8:05:25 GMT -7
Sounds like one o' them Scandinavian movies....(just kiddin' Tapsa and Dixie Chicken...)
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Post by prettynoiselab on Oct 18, 2007 18:28:37 GMT -7
I bought the HG pedal to use with my Maz JR NR and after playing with it for one nite I took it back. Sounded like a fake reverb that just cheapened my Z. That's ok, better to save for a good reverb pedal.
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Post by sdlogan9 on Oct 18, 2007 18:33:19 GMT -7
I bought the HG pedal to use with my Maz JR NR and after playing with it for one nite I took it back. Sounded like a fake reverb that just cheapened my Z. That's ok, better to save for a good reverb pedal. I like em' Cheap!!
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Post by guitarboy02451 on Oct 20, 2007 16:50:47 GMT -7
Has anyone tried a HolyGrail reverb pedal through their Maz38nr - is it good?? have you compared or a/b'ed it to a Maz38/w Reverb ? Thanks for your input Peace Shane Yes, I've tried the Holy Grail and returned it. First one was defective, 2nd one didn't cut the mustard. The HG is not true bypass and sucks tone. Instead I ended up with a EBS Dynaverb, but another good solution is the Soulmate. pg
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Post by george998 on Nov 13, 2007 11:06:09 GMT -7
Holy Grail sounds fine at lower volume,When the volume comes up though it tends to get lost in the mix,nothing worse than a distorted reverb sound,save up for a t-rex or my freind use's an outboard fender reverb which is killer but very expensive my.02
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Post by joem on Nov 19, 2007 20:32:29 GMT -7
+1 on the Verbzilla. Tried the HG and it was Ok but noisey, the Verbzilla is as quiet as can be and there are tons of different sounds you can pick from, plus it's relatively cheap ~$100....
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Post by guitarelf on Dec 26, 2007 13:17:06 GMT -7
I have reverb on my maz, and am glad, as i like reverb and delay with volume pedal swells. i also use a boss rv pedal.. i know, digital, boss, etc etc...but it is clean and has a variety of reverb/reverb delay combos available. how about a fender outboard reverb unit?
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Post by stoob0t on Feb 26, 2008 5:53:21 GMT -7
I only use my HG for huge amounts of reverb - similar to Sigur Rós. On lower 'room' settings it's very useable - but not great unfortunately. I'm thinking of getting a Little Lanilei unit to put through my effects loop and leave on top of my amp when i need it. They come with a remote footswitch too which would be pretty handy if you wanted it in your loop.
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