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Post by yup on Aug 9, 2006 12:58:07 GMT -7
Can any of you fine folks compare the Maz 38 to the Route 66? I'm really digging my 38, however, I wish it was a little thicker when I plug in the Paul.
How simliar/different are the two amps?
As always, thanks.
Mike
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Post by Bill on Aug 9, 2006 13:10:04 GMT -7
Can any of you fine folks compare the Maz 38 to the Route 66? I'm really digging my 38, however, I wish it was a little thicker when I plug in the Paul. How simliar/different are the two amps? As always, thanks. Mike I'll be curious to read this thread as well. For example, one thing I immediately liked about the Stingray was how thick it would dial in...especially on a Tele bridge. I picked up a Rt 66 today (should get it mid next week) based solely on what I've heard/read. I DID own a Maz Sr and although it's a killer amp, to my ears the thickness of the 'Ray was not present in it. So I'm assuming a similar result with Sr vs 66?
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Post by Curt on Aug 9, 2006 13:58:18 GMT -7
Can any of you fine folks compare the Maz 38 to the Route 66? I'm really digging my 38, however, I wish it was a little thicker when I plug in the Paul. How simliar/different are the two amps? As always, thanks. Mike 66 is thicker, jucier, fatter, sexier and sweeter IMO. 66 = J Lo 38 = Olive Oil ;D 38's are nice, but I prefer the big ol bottles.
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Post by Phil (aka Phil) on Aug 9, 2006 14:01:22 GMT -7
Wow, I don't know where to start. I've got one of the first 66's (I pre-ordered it back in 98' directly from the Doc) and I've had my Stingray and MAZ 38 NR since January. All three are very different amps, but the 66 is *really* different from the other two. The 38 to me is a great versatile Fendery/Voxy Z with just a little Marshall thrown in. I can use the 38 to do everything from "Little Wing" to "Voodoo Chile". However, I know what you're saying about the "thickness". It has a lot of harmonic complexity, but the mids are not as "forward" in the 38. The 66 has a great bass response. It has a great top end that is never harsh. You can dial in a ton of treble on a 38 with the cut and treble controls that you can't match on a 66. Then, you've got the midrange, which I kind of think of as the 66's bread and butter. The 66 has a very unique midrange that does really sound great with humbuckers. It's something you have to hear for yourself. It's not exactly like a Marshall, it's much smoother, probably due to the fact that the 66 is ultralinear. Finally, the 66 (at least mine) has a slight ghost note that increases as you move up the fretboard. I believe this is intentional and due to an "under filtered" power supply, which is also one of the things that gives the 66 it's great "broken in" or "non-stiff" feel that we players love.
PDW
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Post by billyguitar on Aug 9, 2006 14:22:23 GMT -7
Unfortunately I don't have a Route 66 (yet) but I think a Maz 38 can be pretty thick. Bass low, teble and cut very low, mids about 2:00. That's how I set mine. Somebody with both amps try it and see how different they are. My guitar has a humbucking at the neck so that helps. Since I got my Stang Ray I haven't played the 38. I still like it a lot but I'm trying to get used to the Ray.
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Post by rcrecelius on Aug 9, 2006 15:55:53 GMT -7
My ears are still ringing from making this very comparison so I'll throw my 2 cents in... BW was kind enough to let me take his RT66 home so I could try it out. The RT66 - Not nearly as dark as I was expecting...with a tele it has a decent twang factor...this was thru Zanes 10/12 cab(@4ohms). Then I plugged the 66 into a Weber California(8ohms) and it seems to be quite abit thicker with more sustain. I started with all knobs around 2-3 oclock up ended up diming everything just for grins Then I pulled the bass back to around 1 oclock...all settings sound good...not a bad sound to be had. I did take the liberty of grabbing my cheap archtop off the wall(humbuckers) and wow...I see what everybody likes about humbuckers with the EF86...its a good combination...good thick classic rock tones to be had. The Maz 38 - this was my first Z amp...had it for over 3 years now and have been toying with the idea of getting rid of it to fund a RT66(or other) Z purchase. Well, Im not so sure I want to do that now...after sharing the stage with BW the other night, I realize that in order to get the tone/sustain Im looking for in the MAz38(without pedals that is) you gotta crank that bad boy up! At BW's suggestion, I had the volume nearly dimed, treble 12, mid near 12, bass 10, cut 9 or less, master 12-1...this yields a good, bright tele tone that can be manipulated with the guitars volume to go from clean to pretty crunchy. I was backing of the tone pot too as this is a pretty bright sound, especially with the tele bridge pickup. I didnt plug the humbucker in this time...my ears were getting tired. Im gonna try to play the Maz at one of my gigs this weekend and see how this setup works for me. So back to the original question... 66=thick mids, but can also be bright with the right speakers 38=brighter(if you want it to be) and versatile but not quite as thick as the 66.
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Post by (8^D) on Aug 9, 2006 16:10:27 GMT -7
Have them both: Route 66 is the absolute best hot-rodded Marshall JTM-45 type tone you'll find. Amazing for rock/blues (and alt/TX country). Great mid character. And LOUD! Loves all pedals, guitars and every speaker combo I've tried thus far. As Ronnie hinted, it sounds great no matter how you set it! Maz Sr is the perfect blend of a Vox AC and Blackface Fender. Articulate bell-like top end with a scooped mid character - actually, would say flat mid character - and a tight, full bass. Great for Jazz, Country, Pop, Rock. A bit pickier w/pedals compared to the 66, but really flexible w/guitar and speaker changes. Reacts well to EQ changes and can cover a lot of musical ground. Both are amazing amps...well, that said, so are all the other Z's I've played. DW
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Post by brumar on Aug 9, 2006 19:07:49 GMT -7
New guy here. I too have both & love them for different things. For the Blues band I use the 66. We play from corner bars to festivals. On the quiet gigs I'll push the tones & drop the Vol. To get what I want to hear. On the big ones it easy, turn it up. I love the big fat articulate sound. I will say I had trouble finding my prefect spkr.. Red Fang for now. Yes it's Marshally but tweed(ish) also. But those type amp sound great played clean. As does the 66.
Maz38 gets used for the classic rock gigs. It covers all the bases. Need thick, turn up the midrange. & drop the cut. Do I use the Maz for the Blues ? Yes. 66 with the Classic rock? Yes. I use Les Paul's & pedals for dirt when I have to. I have all of my old Fender's, Marshall's & Boogie 2c. But the Z's have gotten all the work since they got here. I'm Happy.
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Post by drew on Aug 9, 2006 21:31:29 GMT -7
You guys have pretty much summed it up well. I've both and agree with the comparisons. I can't add much more, except I've only (really) played my strat with both amps. I've a 76' Custom LP that pushed the 66 into nirvana but I rarely play the LP. For my experiences, I love the Sr for country folkadelia and blues. The 66 is the best damn rock machine I've ever owned. I'm not playing much rock these days however for gospel pummeling the 66 was excellent with my strat.
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Post by myles on Aug 10, 2006 8:37:48 GMT -7
I'd use the comparison I did a moment ago on the Fender tweed bassman LTD compared to a Ghia that was asked. Think of comparing a lovely bench of master quality building that sits in the Louvre so the viewer can sit and look at a piece of artwork. Compare that to a large bag of some of the finest potato chips you have ever eaten. Yes ... the amps are that close
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Post by myles on Aug 10, 2006 8:42:59 GMT -7
Can any of you fine folks compare the Maz 38 to the Route 66? I'm really digging my 38, however, I wish it was a little thicker when I plug in the Paul. How simliar/different are the two amps? As always, thanks. Mike Mike .... now I will try to help rather than being a wise guy as in my above post.... Thicken up the MAZ 38 .... V5 ... phase inverter ... for a start a long plate 12AX7 such as a Sovtek 12AX7LPS or GT-12AX7M .... but you want a tube which has been tested and is balanced and want the Transconductance at spec at least (1600) and the current at 1.1mA-1.4mA (spec is 1.2). No higher than 1.5 on current. If the output tubes are more than 300 hours old toss them. In V1 try a longer plate tube if the stock ECC83S resides in the amp now.
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Post by drew on Aug 10, 2006 11:24:54 GMT -7
I'd use the comparison I did a moment ago on the Fender tweed bassman LTD compared to a Ghia that was asked. Think of comparing a lovely bench of master quality building that sits in the Louvre so the viewer can sit and look at a piece of artwork. Compare that to a large bag of some of the finest potato chips you have ever eaten. Yes ... the amps are that close ;D That's classic!!! ;D The similarities are that they are both Z amps that sound great.
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Post by yup on Aug 10, 2006 12:51:37 GMT -7
Folks thanks for all of the replies. It would appear that I'm not going to be able to talk myself out of buying a 66. Now, if only someone would buy my 28....
Thanks again. Mike
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Post by Telemanic on Aug 16, 2006 9:56:02 GMT -7
Yup, yeah, great descriptions all, on this subject. I would just re enforce the notion that you will have NO question wondering if there different enough to justify owning both. Completely different but effective tools to toss your mojo on the crowd. I own both, and you'll hear the round, smooth, wideness of the 66 instantly. And yes i think the 38 is probably the most versatile amp ive ever played, and can be dialed and tweaked ( myles knows all the tricks ) to mimick alot of amps and sounds, ....but the 66 is one unique beast for sure!
BTW, i also have a 28, and find it a little like a 66 on a diet, .... trimmed down in the mid waist, maybe a little less can, but it still has a VERY similar thing goin on, just leans a bit to the fendery side as opposed to the JTM side. Just curious, what it is about the 28 ya dont like? could be helpful, cause i feel they may be the two most closely related Z's ? If your not diggin the 28, its possible that the 66 could miss the mark for ya as well. There is a thread from a few months back that had some great comparisons of the 66 and 28, it may be instructive for you to check those out!
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Post by zimmer on Aug 20, 2006 19:18:35 GMT -7
So, I'll bite.
Is the Route 66 the bench in the Louvre, and the 38 a wonderful bag of chips?
"I just gots to know..."
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