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Post by hdahs143 on Apr 16, 2006 10:41:05 GMT -7
Has anyone used Alnico Blues with their MAZ 38 either in a combo or cabinet, without blowing the speakers. How about 1 Blue paired with something with a higher power rating?
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Post by Greg G. on Apr 16, 2006 10:58:25 GMT -7
I'm considering doing the same thing with my Maz 18. I'm thinking about pairing a Celestion Blue with a stock G12H30. Avatar Speakers actually recommend this pairing for a nice blend of AlNiCo sweetness/compression and ceramic punch. We'll see...
-Greg
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Post by hdahs143 on Apr 16, 2006 12:15:25 GMT -7
I'm weighing my options. I picked up the Stingray head and it just doesn't have the same magic through my ZBEST as it did through Blues. I was thinking of getting a 2x12 open back with either 2 blues or the blue/g12h30. But I want to be able to use it with my MAZ 38 head as well without worrying about frying the speakers. The MAZ sounds great with the ZBEST, but as I said to my ear, my ZBEST isn't a good match with the Stingray. It doesn't show the magic this amp is capable of. If I could get one cabinet that works with both heads, that I really like, then I could sell the ZBest, which would make keeping both heads a lot more affordable ;D Plus after playing in a house band for 3 years, I'm starting with a new band in May, and we play different places just about everynight, so an open back would be a lot easier on the back
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Post by boomer on Apr 16, 2006 12:45:09 GMT -7
I just scored a Route 66 head and a 212 avatar cabinet loaded with Celestion blues. I ran my Maz38 combo into it and I love it. More than the V30 and G12h30 it came with. I to am a little worried about the speakers as it seems to start to sound a little flabby with the blues after the input gain was a little more than half( master wide open). It certainly has a lovely chime. Anybody know what speakers would be comparable tonally to the blues with a little more power? Weber bluedog 30 watt maybe? Boo
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Post by Greg G. on Apr 16, 2006 13:13:58 GMT -7
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Post by JASON (aka jgleaton) on Apr 16, 2006 16:29:00 GMT -7
I paired a 50 Watt Weber silverbell alnico while/ leaving the G12-H30 in the "bottom" of my Z-best and Have been using it primarly with my Maz 38.... but that same speaker set-up sounds GREAT with the Stingray... I think the Silver balances out the brightness of the G12-H30 and you've ALSO got a good mix of Alnico and Ceramic... and little better bass from the celestion... But I also think the Weber Blue dog would sound good too... and stay a little brighter if thats more your taste... Jason
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Post by King B on Apr 17, 2006 8:32:33 GMT -7
I've got the new blue 50 watt version on order, and I plan to use it by itself in a 1X12 cab with my Maz38 for mic'ed gigs.. With that kind of gig, ain't no way you'll blow the speaker, since volume will be so low.
I'll letchyee know how it turns out.
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Post by Curt on Apr 17, 2006 19:01:55 GMT -7
I got a used Alnico blue dog today, tried it with my Maz Sr, Z/28 and Sewell and it is great..GREAT with all of them, for me, and what I want out of a speaker I am very pleased.
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Post by Greg G. on Apr 17, 2006 19:42:49 GMT -7
Very cool, Curt. 30 or 50W, any dope? I know you're a big V30 fan and like some twang, do you find it to be too dark or compressed like some others say? I just ordered a Celestion Blue from Avatar, gonna try pairing it with a G12H30 and see how it sounds. Pretty pricey at $229, especially for a 15W speaker that you almost have to pair with another speaker to keep from blowing it, but people love em for a reason I guess. We'll see.
-Greg
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Post by hdahs143 on Apr 17, 2006 20:44:13 GMT -7
Very cool, Curt. 30 or 50W, any dope? I know you're a big V30 fan and like some twang, do you find it to be too dark or compressed like some others say? I just ordered a Celestion Blue from Avatar, gonna try pairing it with a G12H30 and see how it sounds. Pretty pricey at $229, especially for a 15W speaker that you almost have to pair with another speaker to keep from blowing it, but people love em for a reason I guess. We'll see. -Greg What cabinet are you going to put it in?
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Post by Greg G. on Apr 17, 2006 21:04:59 GMT -7
I was planning on putting the Alnico Blue in the combo cab (top) and the G12H30in the extension cab (bottom). I figure that way the sweetness of the Blue hits you first sonically, while the G12H30 holds the warm bottom from, well, the bottom. -Greg
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Post by hdahs143 on Apr 17, 2006 21:28:23 GMT -7
I'm trying to decide between an open back 2x12 with one Blue and one G12H30, or one with 2 Blues. The first Stingray I played was a combo with 2 blues and it was the most amazing tone I've ever heard. But I'm not sure that would hold up to the Maz 38 for extended periods.
Avatar's premium cabinets are well made, and at $559 for one loaded with the Blue/G1230H, and $699 loaded with 2 Blues, are comfortably priced. I wish they dealt with Weber Speakers too.
Let me know what you think tonally when you get the Blue by itself and paired with the G12H30. It may be the ticket.
Thanks Greg!
Harold
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Post by Greg G. on Apr 17, 2006 21:35:06 GMT -7
Harold, I'm leaning towards the Avatar cabs too, but I have the same concerns. I want to keep my options open, if say I decide to get a Maz 38 head again. That's why I think the Blue/G12H30 combo would be a good fit. I talked to a guy over at Avatar today when I was ordering the Blue and he said the Blue/G12H30 pair is a sweet mix, and covers this bases wattage wise with more powerfull amps. I'll let you know what I think. Thanks again for the Karma! -Greg
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Post by JASON (aka jgleaton) on Apr 17, 2006 21:46:59 GMT -7
Harold, You may pose this question to Chad ( ask myles and chad) or Zac But I believe even brad has gone to the Webers with the Stingray for that VERY reason... course I'm sure BP is Cranking them! so I think most of us mere mortals would be fine with the celestion 15 watt Blue speaker combo in a Stingray ...but I would think the Maz 38 might blow em even easier unless you really were careful and didn't turn it up maybe a little over half way and that's a pretty expensive speaker to blow out.... I REALLY like the 30 watt Weber Blue dogs and I think they are just as good ( I like them better JMHO)and would be a little cheaper to replace but I don't think you'd EVER have to and Mr Weber will recone his speakers for you for a reasonable price... could see if you could buy the Avatar cab unloaded and then maybe order your Webers separately?? I think Weber makes some cabs too?? Best speakers I ever heard My Maz 38 through was the two 30 watt Weber blue dogs in a closed back fender cab... I'd like to put those same speakers in a Z open back to use with my Maz 38 OR the Stingray.... I think either the Celestion or Weber Blue and the G12-H30 sounds great together ( played the Celestion blues BUT only tried the Webers with the G12-H30 and now use the Weber Silver bell with it)... I guess I'd still worry about that 15 watter if I was running a powerful amp cranked through it but I guess that G12-h30 is 60 watts and it should be ok even with a Maz 38 UNLESS you really crank it and would you really be turning it WIDE open anyway... ( edited note verified by celestion through guitarstan: the cab even with a 60 watt speaker added to the 15 watter, you would still only have a 30 watt (max) cab... both speakers taking on an equal amount of the load no matter how they are wired... you can add only the lesser speakers max wattage to the higher wattage speaker for the total watts. you gain no more actual wattage by adding the higher watt speaker, only advantage is in the type of sound your after and not in adding total watts. weakest link in the chain effect here... )
might be as good off with two 15 watt blues (or paired with another speaker equally quick to break up, greenback? ) because your gonna drive them to clip/ get hair from the amp quicker and maybe not HAVE to turn it up so loud that you risk blowing them?? just a thought...
Jason
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Post by Greg G. on Apr 17, 2006 21:50:44 GMT -7
Good point, Jason. Avatar sells the unloaded Premier 2x12 cab for $199 +shipping. Then you could try whatever combo of speakers you want.
-Greg
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Post by Curt on Apr 18, 2006 8:17:24 GMT -7
Very cool, Curt. 30 or 50W, any dope? I know you're a big V30 fan and like some twang, do you find it to be too dark or compressed like some others say? I just ordered a Celestion Blue from Avatar, gonna try pairing it with a G12H30 and see how it sounds. Pretty pricey at $229, especially for a 15W speaker that you almost have to pair with another speaker to keep from blowing it, but people love em for a reason I guess. We'll see. -Greg Bought it used Greg, 30 watt, no dope, it is just right for me, I like a little natural compression and this speaker just kill s !! I won't get to gig it for several weeks but it was really nice at home last night, three amps, three guitars..just real nice sounding with them all ;D
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Post by Greg G. on Apr 18, 2006 10:37:42 GMT -7
cool. Are you using it in you're Maz 38 1x12 alone or paired with something? Any worries of blowing it with the Maz?
-Greg
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Post by Curt on Apr 18, 2006 12:25:24 GMT -7
cool. Are you using it in you're Maz 38 1x12 alone or paired with something? Any worries of blowing it with the Maz? -Greg Dunno ?!? I bought it to try with the 'ray and or Z/28...but the ray was gone before the speaker arrived..and the z-28 is for sale so I don't know what I'll do with it, I may run it in the maz and hope for the best ;D I may Leave it in the extension cab so I can pair it with the Sr or the Sewell........dunno
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Post by hdahs143 on Apr 26, 2006 14:35:14 GMT -7
Good point, Jason. Avatar sells the unloaded Premier 2x12 cab for $199 +shipping. Then you could try whatever combo of speakers you want. -Greg I emailed Dave at Avatar earlier this week and the quote I got for a speakerless Premier 2x12 was $279 plus $34 shipping. When did you get your quote Greg, or was it a different cabinet? Still a good deal and I can put Webers in it, but I liked $199 better.
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Post by got twang? on May 5, 2006 17:35:37 GMT -7
Anyone here know much about Ted Weber's cabs? I like the style of some of his 2x12 cabs (Model 6M), but I'm wondering what the quality is like. If it's good, I think $260 is a pretty good price.
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Post by real.sladdi on May 6, 2006 14:29:47 GMT -7
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Post by Curt on May 8, 2006 11:53:37 GMT -7
What is the cab ? Got any full on frontal shots of that thang?
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Post by myles on May 27, 2006 19:42:40 GMT -7
The MAZ Sr is really closer to a 50 watt amp than it's rated 38 watts .... two Vox blues will not hold up long in this amp if pushed.
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Post by otisray on Jun 1, 2006 21:07:56 GMT -7
I have a Weber Blue Dog 50 watt speaker in my Maz 38 Sr, 1x12 combo, and it sounds awesome. Nice chime, well rounded, great smooth compression. The amp, with or without pedals, sounds great!!!
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Post by guitarman1 on Jun 5, 2006 12:54:22 GMT -7
Anyone here know much about Ted Weber's cabs? I like the style of some of his 2x12 cabs (Model 6M), but I'm wondering what the quality is like. If it's good, I think $260 is a pretty good price. My guess is Mojo Musical Supply. They look identical to many of Mojos stock cabs, and all of Weber's vinyl & grill cloth options are the same ones Mojo offers. Mojo has made cabs for many boutique amps companies including Germino, Fuchs & I believe Dr. Z at one time.
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Post by guitarstan on Sept 20, 2006 15:10:59 GMT -7
Has anyone besides benttop had any issues with the 50 watt Webers losing some high end after breaking in?
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Post by (8^D) on Sept 22, 2006 19:14:55 GMT -7
Nope! I have a silver/blue alnico 50 watt med dope setup that's been beat on religiously for the past several months and they've only gotten better - no loss of top end at all. From spanky country to full out screamin' rock. They're getting a good diet of guitar variety and keep coming back for more.
Dw.
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Post by jcshirke on Oct 2, 2006 14:43:52 GMT -7
The MAZ Sr is really closer to a 50 watt amp than it's rated 38 watts .... two Vox blues will not hold up long in this amp if pushed. I spoke to Stu at Fat Sound earlier about this very issue, and he says that that is absolutely not true. He's tried many, many different speaker configurations with the Maz 38, and not once has he ever had a Celestion Blue blow--and that included cabs or combos with *two* Blues. He also says the amp is definitely not near 50 watts, but maybe (at most) a bit over 40 when pushed. In any case, he says he has never, ever had a problem, and he's sold hundreds of Z's. Not only did I talk to Stu, but I also heard the same thing regarding the Celestion Blue from Brent at Dr Z. He said there would be no worries at all combining a Blue and a G12H30. In all likelihood, I'm going to go with a Celestion Blue and a G12H30 in a 2 x 12 combo. Jeff
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