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Post by billyguitar on Feb 10, 2006 23:10:27 GMT -7
No reverb tonite from my Maz 38. No hum, no buzz, no nuttin, honey! Probably the tank? Any body had this? I can't get into it until Sunday. I'll report what up.
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Post by bluzsteel on Feb 11, 2006 8:26:01 GMT -7
look in the tank for sure , sometimes the wire can come loose from one of the transducers, there are two, an input and output ,sometimes the transducer itself can go bad, if your lucky its that or a spring popped off but if it were the later you could still hear something it just wouldnt sound like it was good verb, check all the RCA'S
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Post by JChance on Feb 11, 2006 8:50:39 GMT -7
Yep, mine's doing the same thing! Checked it, and it's one of the tiny wires inside the tank. So it made a good excuse for ordering a new one, since I wasn't crazy about the decay in that peticular tank anyway.
JC
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Post by billyguitar on Feb 11, 2006 10:47:31 GMT -7
I want the short delay tank so if the tank is bad I won't mind so much except for the hassle. A couple of years ago the tank in my 1999 Evans JE-150 quit. They sent me a new free. I don't expect that to happen now 'cause it's not Zs fault. I'm just wondering why my 40 year old Fenders are fine and these new tanks are continually breaking, judging by all the other similar posts. I think I read that Z said he talked to Accutronics and they wouldn't acknowledge a problem. I'd just as soon have a no reverb model with a loop as put up low quality reverb tanks from now on. Reverb companies that won't admit deficient designs don't deserve to be in business. Sorry, I'm really p. o.'d if that's what it turns out to be. I notice that Evans uses a digital reverb now. Fender's been using digital effects in their solid state amps for quite a while and they sound natural enough to me.
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Post by JChance on Feb 11, 2006 14:53:19 GMT -7
Yep, this is the third or fourth time I've had a problem with a tank in a new amp in the last 4 or 5 years. Back around '01 or so, I bought a brand new '65 Twin reissue, and the tank was bad within the first week or so. Got it replaced under warranty because it had a problem so quickly. Also had a problem with a tank in a Classic 50 and a "Custom" Vibrolux Reverb. As you said, it's certainly not Dr. Mike's fault if Accutronics isn't using the proper build quality. Plus, through the years I've gradually used less & less 'verb, and I'm to the point where I almost wish both of my Z's were NR models. Nonetheless, I ordered the same tank as what came in my 38, except went with a medium decay instead of the long one, which was only a difference in one digit in the part numbers.
JC
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Post by billyguitar on Feb 11, 2006 20:14:46 GMT -7
I may have misunderstood but I thought Bluzsteel said they cam stock with a medium delay tank?
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Post by bluzsteel on Feb 12, 2006 8:19:37 GMT -7
I may have misunderstood but I thought Bluzsteel said they cam stock with a medium delay tank? Billy , really sure what is stock, mine came with a medium. I relaced it with a long ,to me if your going to use a smaller delay for verb you might as well either not have it or use a delay pedal , old fender amps used the long delay and thats whats sounds the best to my ears
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Post by JChance on Feb 12, 2006 9:51:39 GMT -7
Mine had the long decay, and I'm just not a "long dwell" reverb guy... Just want a bit of a slpash and then off! My '04 MAZ Jr, on the other hand, came stock with a large pan, medium decay.
JC
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Post by guitarman1 on Feb 12, 2006 10:40:19 GMT -7
No matter what the decay length, the long spring tanks sound much richer/thicker than the short tanks. They are also less susceptible to spring noise on shaky stages. If yo have a short tank, replace it with a long one from Accutronics and specify short, med, or long decay. They cost about $40.00 shipped and about a 1 week wait direct from Accutronics.
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Post by billyguitar on Feb 12, 2006 17:00:34 GMT -7
Took the tank out. Couldn't see any broken wires. Checked the tubes, all okay. Hooked up the tank from my Fender Reissue tube reverb. That tank works and sounds exactly like a Fender reverb. That's what I want. I'll contact Antique Electronic supply and see if I can get the same kind of tank, only one that lays flat on the bottom of the amp. Not on it's side like the Fender reverb. If I can get that sound I'll be happy. It's very springy like an old Fender. I don't like "studio" sounding reverbs on guitar. This tank also has a much brighter sound, which is again what I want. Curse Accutronics! This shouldn't be happening.
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Post by bluzsteel on Feb 12, 2006 18:17:19 GMT -7
Hey Billy not sure what you mean by on its side ......all the Fender amps Ive ever owned have laid flat on the bottom of the amp. the one you want is a 9AB3C1B, that is the same one Leo used in the 1964 Super Reverb, sorry you guys have had problems with Accutronics I have had one bad tank in 30 years , and when you call those guys they are really nice folks
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Post by billyguitar on Feb 12, 2006 19:03:08 GMT -7
The stand alone Fender tube reverb unit mounts the tank on it's side against the front panel. That's the only thing by Fender that does it that way. The bad tank in my Maz 38 is one of those short ones. The bag is a full length bad so it can hold a full size tank.
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Post by bluzsteel on Feb 12, 2006 21:07:28 GMT -7
is your amp a combo?
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Post by billyguitar on Feb 13, 2006 6:35:35 GMT -7
Which amp? The Fender I tested with wasn't an amp. It's the stand alone Reissue Reverb. The Maz 38 Sr with reverb (temporarily without) is a 1-12 combo.
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Post by bluzsteel on Feb 13, 2006 6:50:44 GMT -7
yeah I meant which Z did you have , well then if you want a old style fender reverb you need 9AB3C1B tank
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Post by propellr on Feb 13, 2006 7:00:09 GMT -7
yeah, I remember reading that Dr. Z has had issue with the build quality of reverb tanks, as of late. I would shoot him an email about it, just to let him know. (He may have read it here already.) I do hope you find the reverb sound you're looking for, FWIW.
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Post by billyguitar on Feb 13, 2006 13:34:47 GMT -7
Antique Electronic Supply (www.tubesandmore.com) has the long tanks with long delay for $24.95 plus $2.50 S & H. I don't know if that includes UPS charges. I ordered it. I don't know if I'll get it this week but could. The club I'm playing in Saturday doesn't need reverb anyway. One of the wettest clubs I've ever played in. Tile floor, high ceiling and glass on two sides. Last time there I had my preamp volume straight up but the master at only 9:00 and it was still pretty loud! I've got a hotrodded blackface no reverb cathode biased Princeton or a tweed Deluxe that would be more than enough but I don't know if I can go Z-less!
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Post by bluzsteel on Feb 14, 2006 6:56:07 GMT -7
Antique Electronic Supply (www.tubesandmore.com) has the long tanks with long delay for $24.95 plus $2.50 S & H. I don't know if that includes UPS charges. I ordered it. I don't know if I'll get it this week but could. The club I'm playing in Saturday doesn't need reverb anyway. One of the wettest clubs I've ever played in. Tile floor, high ceiling and glass on two sides. Last time there I had my preamp volume straight up but the master at only 9:00 and it was still pretty loud! I've got a hotrodded blackface no reverb cathode biased Princeton or a tweed Deluxe that would be more than enough but I don't know if I can go Z-less! that where I got mine . did you get the long delay?
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Post by billyguitar on Feb 14, 2006 11:34:01 GMT -7
I'm sure you were right about the tanks in Fenders so I went with the long delay. When I tried it with the tank from my Fender Reverb box I knew that was the sound I wanted. Leo had it right the first time and that's the sound I grew up with so long delay for me. I briefly toyed with the idea of getting the medium delay but went tarditional after all. I think in the future that if all an amp can handle space-wise is the short tank I won't bother. The big tank is the sound and the short tank is NOT the sound.
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Post by billyguitar on Feb 18, 2006 6:57:21 GMT -7
Ordered the tank Monday afternoon from Antique Electronic Supply and got it Friday, great service. Put it in. Sounds better than the old small tank but not as good as I had hoped. For some reason the tank from my Fender reissue Reverb box sounded great. This tank is an improvement but it doesn't sound like an old Fender amp yet. Good enough to leave it alone. Still seems to have too much dwell to me and could be splashier. Oh well, on to higher priorities.
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Post by bluzsteel on Feb 18, 2006 7:59:52 GMT -7
I know what you mean Billy , your stand alone has dwell, tone , so you can get a different verb. I think the only way to match it would be to get a schematic from a old Super and trace the verb and use those values
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