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Post by emeprod on Oct 7, 2005 23:38:37 GMT -7
Okay..here's the deal. I have a Maz 38 NR 2x12, w/Celestion Blues which I bought when I was gigging regularly with a country singer and played a Fender telecaster through it. I absolutely love it for the stuff we were playing. When I bought the amp I compared it to a couple of other Z's, at least one of which was another Maz 38 but without the Celestion Blues. The blues obviously gave the amp the sparkling chime that I suppose one can only get from those speakers (or clones thereof).
I now find myself playing more rock and roll out of necessity for gigging. I have what should be a sufficient amount of pedals to get the job done for covering various tunes, etc. and am playing my "rock n roll" guitar, a customized number with EMG pickups, etc. However, the amp just will not get the tone I want for the rock and roll stuff. I think it is just too bright. Knowing that the Celestion Blues are a big part of the country sound that I loved I'm wondering if a change in speakers would bring the amp to the sonic destination I desire while playing the rock stuff, so that I can just switch out the speakers until the time comes that I start playing country again and put the Blues back in.
Bottom line: Will a change in the speakers of a Maz 38 2x12 from Celestion Blues to *insert name here* bring about a substantially different sound?
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Post by bluzsteel on Oct 8, 2005 7:33:14 GMT -7
check out the new eminence line , im using a tonkor and a swamp thang killer rock sound with my Maz 38
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Post by guitarboy02451 on Oct 8, 2005 7:40:57 GMT -7
Yes, a change in speakers will definately change your tone. Greenbacks will offer quick break up and a rock tone. The Z-Best comes loaded with G12H 30 and a Vintage 30. Which is a nice balance because the G12H30 is a 30 watt version of the GB, the V30 is a 60 watt, so there is a balance of headroom and breakup. Great for rock, classic rock, and the v30 will even provide some bonk and twang.
If more headroom is necessary then most folks swear by the Eminence Tonker and Swampthang mix.
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Post by jzguitar on Oct 8, 2005 12:02:52 GMT -7
check out the new eminence line , im using a tonkor and a swamp thang killer rock sound with my Maz 38 How is the high-end of the Tonker? I've had a couple of people tell me that its got lots of highs, so I ordered a Governor and a Swamp Thang. I like darker tones so I didn't know if the Tonker would be too bright for me. Thanks! jz
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Post by guitarboy02451 on Oct 9, 2005 7:23:33 GMT -7
check out the new eminence line , im using a tonkor and a swamp thang killer rock sound with my Maz 38 How is the high-end of the Tonker? I've had a couple of people tell me that its got lots of highs, so I ordered a Governor and a Swamp Thang. I like darker tones so I didn't know if the Tonker would be too bright for me. Thanks! jz I was lead to believe the Tonker is comparable to the G12H 30, but with head room. Bluzsteel, can you elaborate?
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Post by bluzsteel on Oct 9, 2005 8:53:11 GMT -7
I think the Maz has a lot of high end in itself, so my treble is not very high with any speaker Ive tried. the Tonkor as far as being like a G12H30 , its hard to compare ,I dont think it s any where close. its a 175 watt speaker that you can get to break up real well ,kinda like a monster Jenson . real smooth and reaalllllll loud. I dont find that the tonkor has to much high end at all
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Post by billyguitar on Oct 11, 2005 7:26:08 GMT -7
1) Does the Tonkor cone cry on high notes like a Celestion?
2) What does Tonkor mean?
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Post by bluzsteel on Oct 11, 2005 8:36:38 GMT -7
The Tonker doesnt cry , well does in a good way , not sure what it means, some kinda british battle term I think
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Post by guitarman1 on Oct 11, 2005 10:26:26 GMT -7
I ordered an Emi Swamp Thang last week from Avatar and will be trying it out in my Maz 38 1x12. I currently have a G12H, but am looking for something to make the Maz a bit bigger sounding with slightly less high end. I'll let you guys know how it works out after I break it in. There are sound clips on Emi's web site of many of their new models.
FYI: Avatar is selling some new-in-box, overstock Swamp Thangs right now at $49.00 + $8.00 shipping.
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Post by guitarman1 on Oct 13, 2005 6:37:58 GMT -7
I got my Emi Swamp Thang last night and put it in my Maz Sr. Of course the speaker isn't broken in, but here is my initial impression.
1) Sensitivity: Slightly less volume than the G12H at same amp settings.
2) Low End: Similar tone & amount of "thump" as the G12H, but a bit tighter.
3) Mids: Thicker & rounder than the G12H, but a bit less open.
4) Highs: Less treble than the G12H, but also doesn't have the British chime. I can use more of the range of my treble, mid and cut controls.
5) Breakup: Less breakup than the G12H. Ghost notes, especially when playing double stops, are extremely reduced.
Overall impression:
For cleans I love it. It's a fat, warm speaker, but still retains clarity. It reminds me of an EV without the shrill highs. For overdrive, it is smoother than the G12H, giving a more "Dumble" tone. The G12H is more rock & raw, but in a great way.
For my style and taste, I prefer the cleans over the G12H. For overdrive, I like them both for different reasons. I hate ghost notes, so I'm giving the nod to the Swamp Thang. It does sound a bit stiff, but I'm hoping it will loosen up after some break in. The Celsetion does the Marshall mid crunch/Vox chime thing better.
This has really got me interested in checking out some Tonkers for my Bogner 2x12 cab. I've got V30s in there now, but the ghost notes are driving me crazy. I love the tone of those V30s for classic rock with my PRS 22 on the bridge pup. They just have some great crunch and peaks in the mids that I love for old rock & roll.
Anybody have some experience with the Tonkers?
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Post by bluzsteel on Oct 18, 2005 6:26:51 GMT -7
I got my Emi Swamp Thang last night and put it in my Maz Sr. Of course the speaker isn't broken in, but here is my initial impression. 1) Sensitivity: Slightly less volume than the G12H at same amp settings. 2) Low End: Similar tone & amount of "thump" as the G12H, but a bit tighter. 3) Mids: Thicker & rounder than the G12H, but a bit less open. 4) Highs: Less treble than the G12H, but also doesn't have the British chime. I can use more of the range of my treble, mid and cut controls. 5) Breakup: Less breakup than the G12H. Ghost notes, especially when playing double stops, are extremely reduced. Overall impression: For cleans I love it. It's a fat, warm speaker, but still retains clarity. It reminds me of an EV without the shrill highs. For overdrive, it is smoother than the G12H, giving a more "Dumble" tone. The G12H is more rock & raw, but in a great way. For my style and taste, I prefer the cleans over the G12H. For overdrive, I like them both for different reasons. I hate ghost notes, so I'm giving the nod to the Swamp Thang. It does sound a bit stiff, but I'm hoping it will loosen up after some break in. The Celsetion does the Marshall mid crunch/Vox chime thing better. This has really got me interested in checking out some Tonkers for my Bogner 2x12 cab. I've got V30s in there now, but the ghost notes are driving me crazy. I love the tone of those V30s for classic rock with my PRS 22 on the bridge pup. They just have some great crunch and peaks in the mids that I love for old rock & roll. Anybody have some experience with the Tonkers? Ive had the Tonker for about a year now and I love it, also have a Swamp in the Z ext cab they sound very close
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Post by dsj52 on Nov 2, 2005 11:28:13 GMT -7
My Z38 2*12 came with Celestion Blues. At times the sound was simply too harsh for my taste. I switched to Weber Alnicos: 1 Blue Dog & 1 Silver Bell. The tone smoothed out immediatley. I still get some chime, but have a lot more warm mids. I used the 50 watt versions, and the clean headroom has increased also. They have been in for about a month, and I am very pleased.
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