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Post by meanslide on Jun 27, 2022 6:55:44 GMT -7
Just curious as to why he would hide the "Z's" on his amp while out with The Eagles. You can see it's a Z-Plus right behind him in this clip at 2:02...
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Post by doctorice on Jun 27, 2022 7:49:51 GMT -7
Don't know the "why" of the tape, but it looks like a Z-Lux to me, not a Z-Plus, fwiw. Maybe Doc has an explanation of the tape.
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Post by daddyelmis (Greg) on Jun 27, 2022 7:55:55 GMT -7
Don't know the "why" of the tape, but it looks like a Z-Lux to me, not a Z-Plus, fwiw. Maybe Doc has an explanation of the tape. i would have speculated it’s some rule of Mr Henley’s not allowing “endorsement” but they don’t try to cover the fender amps, or keyboard logos, etc. Weird.
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Post by meanslide on Jun 27, 2022 7:59:29 GMT -7
Don't know the "why" of the tape, but it looks like a Z-Lux to me, not a Z-Plus, fwiw. Maybe Doc has an explanation of the tape. It could be a Z-Lux. That would bring up another question. Why would he have Doc build the Z-Plus for 'stage use' with the Eagles if he uses the Z-Lux??
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Post by premiumplus (Dave) on Jun 27, 2022 8:48:15 GMT -7
It really doesn't make sense why the "Z" would be covered up, considering that "Fender" etc. are allowed. Could it be an artist endorsement legal entanglement of some type?
At first glance I thought it was a Plus, but I missed one knob that was hiding behind his input cable.
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Post by Mark (Basement Enthusiast) on Jun 27, 2022 9:09:59 GMT -7
Weird! Looks like some other stuff (to his stage-left) is taped over--and it's hard to tell, but some of Timothy B. Schmidt's Gallien-Krueger stuff might have their badges removed. Curiously enough, also behind Joe is what seems to be a black-tolex Z-Master that has its "Z" covered up... but not the "Joe Walsh Signature Series" badge covered up! Also... the "Leslie" badge on the rotating speaker behind him is still proudly visible. Kind of odd what does/doesn't have tape over it. Any ideas on why Joe has to cover his "Z" logo, DRZ?
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Post by j4gitr (John) on Jun 27, 2022 9:21:05 GMT -7
I don’t know the finances behind shows of these epic proportions, but it’s very possible Fender had helped fund the tour and provided the backline. If such an arrangement was made in some way, shape or form, then having a non-Fender product appearing on stage would be in conflict with the agreement. So to keep with the agreement and have his desired sound through the amp he wants, Joe would simply cover the most identifiable, “Z” logo. Mere speculation on my part.
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Post by DRZ on Jun 27, 2022 12:47:12 GMT -7
I don’t know the finances behind shows of these epic proportions, but it’s very possible Fender had helped fund the tour and provided the backline. If such an arrangement was made in some way, shape or form, then having a non-Fender product appearing on stage would be in conflict with the agreement. So to keep with the agreement and have his desired sound through the amp he wants, Joe would simply cover the most identifiable, “Z” logo. Mere speculation on my part. Good guess but not true. As a mater of fact Fender is very cool. Brad did a video for Fender showing his new Signature Tele, and in that promo video behind him he was plugged into his Z Wreck Jr. The reason for the tape is beyond believe to me. Someone in the audience complained to Eagles management , that Joe was supporting the Russian Military which use a Z painted on their tanks in the Ukraine. Joe is the furthest thing from a Communist sympathizer. But this is the world we live in today . BTW he is plugged into his Z Master , in Black Tolex due to Henley's demand, and his Z Lux combo. That is his stage setup for the currant Eagles tour. DR.Z
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Post by nmz on Jun 27, 2022 13:45:35 GMT -7
That is just insane.
Man I bet those two amps sound amazing!
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Post by KeithA on Jun 27, 2022 13:55:32 GMT -7
That is just insane. Man I bet those two amps sound amazing! Yep, sounds like someone spent their medication money on concert tickets!
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Post by doctorice on Jun 27, 2022 14:12:50 GMT -7
It really doesn't make sense why the "Z" would be covered up, considering that "Fender" etc. are allowed. Could it be an artist endorsement legal entanglement of some type?
At first glance I thought it was a Plus, but I missed one knob that was hiding behind his input cable.
I don't claim to have great eyesight, but on a reasonably large monitor I was able to make out the distinctive "indent" in the top of the Z-Lux cab plus the rightmost knobs seemed to show "speed" and "depth". Dead giveaways that it was almost certainly a Lux. (No offense meant to you, meanslide, or to you, Dave. I have both amps so I'm very familiar with their appearances.)
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Post by lowbudget on Jun 27, 2022 15:14:55 GMT -7
I don’t know the finances behind shows of these epic proportions, but it’s very possible Fender had helped fund the tour and provided the backline. If such an arrangement was made in some way, shape or form, then having a non-Fender product appearing on stage would be in conflict with the agreement. So to keep with the agreement and have his desired sound through the amp he wants, Joe would simply cover the most identifiable, “Z” logo. Mere speculation on my part. Good guess but not true. As a mater of fact Fender is very cool. Brad did a video for Fender showing his new Signature Tele, and in that promo video behind him he was plugged into his Z Wreck Jr. The reason for the tape is beyond believe to me. Someone in the audience complained to Eagles management , that Joe was supporting the Russian Military which use a Z painted on their tanks in the Ukraine. Joe is the furthest thing from a Communist sympathizer. But this is the world we live in today . BTW he is plugged into his Z Master , in Black Tolex due to Henley's demand, and his Z Lux combo. That is his stage setup for the currant Eagles tour. DR.Z That really is unbelievable. In a million years I’d have never come up with that. It’s sad to me that such political and social correctness have been allowed to run so far amok. I mean, it’s music for goodness sake!
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Post by Chilly Gibbons (Todd T.) on Jun 27, 2022 15:51:05 GMT -7
Another reason to hate Russia’s savage, 16th century style land grab.
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Post by helmi on Jun 27, 2022 16:56:20 GMT -7
Is Joe singing in English here, or some language that’s yet to be identified?
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Post by Mark (Basement Enthusiast) on Jun 27, 2022 17:13:35 GMT -7
The reason for the tape is beyond believe to me. Someone in the audience complained to Eagles management , that Joe was supporting the Russian Military which use a Z painted on their tanks in the Ukraine. Joe is the furthest thing from a Communist sympathizer. But this is the world we live in today . Wow! Surprising, but I kind of do believe that unfortunately. BTW he is plugged into his Z Master , in Black Tolex due to Henley's demand, and his Z Lux combo. Oh, now that... THAT is rich. "Henley's demand." I can only imagine all of Henley's demands...
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Post by j4gitr (John) on Jun 27, 2022 19:08:23 GMT -7
I don’t know the finances behind shows of these epic proportions, but it’s very possible Fender had helped fund the tour and provided the backline. If such an arrangement was made in some way, shape or form, then having a non-Fender product appearing on stage would be in conflict with the agreement. So to keep with the agreement and have his desired sound through the amp he wants, Joe would simply cover the most identifiable, “Z” logo. Mere speculation on my part. Good guess but not true. As a mater of fact Fender is very cool. Brad did a video for Fender showing his new Signature Tele, and in that promo video behind him he was plugged into his Z Wreck Jr. The reason for the tape is beyond believe to me. Someone in the audience complained to Eagles management , that Joe was supporting the Russian Military which use a Z painted on their tanks in the Ukraine. Joe is the furthest thing from a Communist sympathizer. But this is the world we live in today . BTW he is plugged into his Z Master , in Black Tolex due to Henley's demand, and his Z Lux combo. That is his stage setup for the currant Eagles tour. DR.Z Wow! Now there is quite the story, but as you say Doc, this is the world we live in. Thanks for sharing that tid-bit.
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Post by zpilot on Jun 29, 2022 5:01:44 GMT -7
I figured this was going to happen the first time I saw a photo of the Z on the Russian vehicles. I just did not want to be the one to mention it in the hope that maybe it would not. It is similar to the way the swastika was demonized although it had been used as a symbol by many groups long before the Nazi party adopted it. For instance, the Navajo American Indian Tribe use of it predated the 1920's and also they were on a completely different continent. Hopefully this whole issue, and especially the war, will pass.
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Post by motron on Jun 29, 2022 10:33:57 GMT -7
When I first saw this thread I told my wife it was probably due to the Russian use of the Z, which ironically is not even a character in Cyrillic. My wife is originally from a country that was in the former Soviet Union and she has been very involved in following developments in Ukraine. The Z is not only used on Russian vehicles, but has become a nationalist symbol in Russia. For instance, school children will get in a the formation of the letter "Z" and sing patriotic songs. So to supporters of Ukraine, the effect of the symbol is somewhat like that of a swastika. When I recently got my CAZ-45, my wife actually made a negative comment about the "Z".
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Post by nmz on Jun 29, 2022 10:52:59 GMT -7
When I first saw this thread I told my wife it was probably due to the Russian use of the Z, which ironically is not even a character in Cyrillic. My wife is originally from a country that was in the former Soviet Union and she has been very involved in following developments in Ukraine. The Z is not only used on Russian vehicles, but has become a nationalist symbol in Russia. For instance, school children will get in a the formation of the letter "Z" and sing patriotic songs. So to supporters of Ukraine, the effect of the symbol is somewhat like that of a swastika. When I recently got my CAZ-45, my wife actually made a negative comment about the "Z". So….how’s the CAZ? 🤣
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Post by heynewguy (Ol’ Bill) on Jun 29, 2022 11:51:04 GMT -7
I don’t know the finances behind shows of these epic proportions, but it’s very possible Fender had helped fund the tour and provided the backline. If such an arrangement was made in some way, shape or form, then having a non-Fender product appearing on stage would be in conflict with the agreement. So to keep with the agreement and have his desired sound through the amp he wants, Joe would simply cover the most identifiable, “Z” logo. Mere speculation on my But this is the world we live in today. This is very sad. I think all the people that are offended by a symbol on a musical instrument should stay home, pull down the shades, turn off the lights and turn off the TV’s, and let normal people enjoy life just how it is. What a bunch of spoiled little babies! Sorry, rant over. As always, YMMV.
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Post by zpilot on Jun 29, 2022 15:30:25 GMT -7
People who are offended by the Z logo are not stupid or bad, just uninformed. Music fans are not necessarily interested in the branding of gear. Maybe, if this turns out to be a long term issue, the solution would be to change the logo to something like
DR-Z AMPS
and still retain the signature font. I know this would incur some expense but it might be less than that from loss of sales. Just a thought.
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Post by motron on Jun 29, 2022 17:13:45 GMT -7
When I first saw this thread I told my wife it was probably due to the Russian use of the Z, which ironically is not even a character in Cyrillic. My wife is originally from a country that was in the former Soviet Union and she has been very involved in following developments in Ukraine. The Z is not only used on Russian vehicles, but has become a nationalist symbol in Russia. For instance, school children will get in a the formation of the letter "Z" and sing patriotic songs. So to supporters of Ukraine, the effect of the symbol is somewhat like that of a swastika. When I recently got my CAZ-45, my wife actually made a negative comment about the "Z". So….how’s the CAZ? 🤣 The CAZ is great. I'm still learning how the various controls that affect gain interact. But just about anyway I set them sounds good. The main problem I have now is that I turn it on to play for an hour and before I know it, two hours have passed.
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Post by lowbudget on Jun 29, 2022 20:20:18 GMT -7
People who are offended by the Z logo are not stupid or bad, just uninformed. Music fans are not necessarily interested in the branding of gear. Maybe, if this turns out to be a long term issue, the solution would be to change the logo to something like DR-Z AMPS and still retain the signature font. I know this would incur some expense but it might be less than that from loss of sales. Just a thought. I don’t think the very few people who are offended by the letter “Z” are gonna represent much of the doc’s market. Besides, his Z logo is so stylized I don’t think there’s much basis for comparison in the first place. Nobody in Maple Heights needs to lose any sleep IMO.
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Post by nicholas on Jun 30, 2022 3:10:34 GMT -7
If I knew Joe I'd suggest screwing 4 new amp feet on the side of his amp and using it on its side. No one is offended by the letter N (that I know of anyway). That does a few things. First it gives the few that might voice concerns over the letter Z and associating it with the Russian symbol nothing b!tch about. It also let's the artist show his Z's in public and not covering them up, showing support for the brand while also publically showing support AGAINST the Russian Z. Heck, it might even make a great publicity campaign for him and Z amps. I say use it, roll with it. Offer free amp feet. People eat that stuff up.
Not many other amp companies get a chance to raise public awareness to their brand like this one right here. Spin it to work for you.
Personally I think it's silly to take an american made product with a Z on it (that has had a Z on it for decades) and associate it to a symbol most people have only learned of months ago. But that's the world right now I guess. Make it work for ya I say.
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Post by daddyelmis (Greg) on Jun 30, 2022 4:12:27 GMT -7
There are literally hundreds of registered trademarks using the "z" ... much ado about nothing IMO. If someone cannot distinguish between a brand logo and the unofficial tag of some rogue military, then I fear their lives will be full of disappointment and frustration. To quote Mr Henley and Co: "there's gonna be a heartache tonight."
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Post by helmi on Jun 30, 2022 16:12:22 GMT -7
But this is the world we live in today. This is very sad. I think all the people that are offended by a symbol on a musical instrument should stay home, pull down the shades, turn off the lights and turn off the TV’s, and let normal people enjoy life just how it is. What a bunch of spoiled little babies! Sorry, rant over. As always, YMMV. I would have added to your statement, “and just off themselves”, but that’s just my sinister, but truthful, opinion!
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Post by meanslide on Jun 30, 2022 20:45:22 GMT -7
I started this thread just wanting to hear Joe crank a Z-Plus live and boy did it go sideways! My new-to-me Z+ is just best amp I've ever played. Man this amp is a blast. Thanks Doc for giving us the low down on the tape. Crazy world, indeed. I imagine that Joe would need the fire power of the Z-Lux/Z-Master combo for the big stages, so that makes sense.
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Post by captainron (Ron) on Jul 2, 2022 6:26:22 GMT -7
Only thing better than one Z amp....is two together!
The rest of the world has gone cuckoo bananas!
Ron
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Post by John on Jul 13, 2022 11:18:33 GMT -7
I thought it was because it was one of those ZENITH products!!
We had one of their televisions back in the 60's...and it didn't work so well.
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Post by Rockerfeller on Jul 13, 2022 14:54:22 GMT -7
This will soon be forgotten. We have way more serious issues facing us personally. People will not have any recollection of the Russian army using the Z on their vehicles in a few months. This will not affect Dr. Z.
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