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Post by redtele on May 31, 2021 4:06:38 GMT -7
Sorry to get your hopes up if you thought this thread might have some tasty clips of these speakers with the Junior, but hopefully I will learn something and understand what is happening here...
How comes that the 15 watt Vox AC15 combo sounds fantastic with the Celestion Blue speaker, and the Blue is also regularly recommended for use in Tweed Deluxe amps that usually run around 12 watts, but for some reason it's not suitable for the Z Wreck Junior? Why does it sound 'boxy' or too strong in the midrange when the cab of the Wreck Junior combo is bigger than both the AC15 and Deluxe amps, so surely this would result in the opposite being the case?
How comes the Celestion Gold is apparently too powerful to be driven by the Junior and thus not recommended, when once again this speaker is frequently recommended for 12 watt Tweed Deluxe amps and is pretty popular in the not-too-far-off-in-power-rating Deluxe Reverb amps?
I'm not unhappy with the Greenback in the Wreck Junior, but just curious that these tropes of 'boxy' when talking about the Blue and 'underpowered' with the Gold, are repeated when they do not seem to be a problem or concern with other popular amps of similar power?
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Post by John on May 31, 2021 4:51:01 GMT -7
I've never heard the Blue not being suitable for the wreck-jr. It's a matter of taste and preference.
The gold is too powerful to be driven by the jr? That makes no sense. A speaker's rating is the maximum it can handle. It can certainly handle less.
And I think most people would be surprised how close the greenback is in tone to the blue/gold.
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Post by redtele on May 31, 2021 4:55:24 GMT -7
Brilliant, thanks John What experience do you have comparing the greenback with the Blue or Gold? Have you tried them all in the same amp, and if so, what amp was it (power rating etc) and what made you choose the one you did?
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Post by John on May 31, 2021 5:56:52 GMT -7
I have a considerable amount of experience with greenback/blue/gold. Thousands of gigs. I've had all three...often at the same time. The greenback is my favorite speaker. I like the tone. They all share similar tonal characteristics: 1) They all have less bass than a lot of other speakers. 2) They all have similar mids. (ok, I know the blue/gold have a bit more upper mid focus, and the greenback is a bit more spread out mids....but we're splitting hairs here.) 3) They all have similar high end. Although I realize the blue/greenback have a tendency to attenuate those highs when pushed hard. (especially the greenback) 4) The blue/greenback have similar breakup characteristics. (early) The gold will hold on for much longer. The power rating of the amp doesn't really matter. You can have a 1000 watt amp and run it with a blue which only has a rating of 15 watts. Just be sure you barely turn up the volume on your 1000 watt amp. (so your 1000 watt amp is really only putting out 10 watts.) You run into problems when you start cranking an amp that has a higher wattage amp than your speaker rating. In the same example, you can't turn the 1000 watt amp up all the way and expect a 15 watt blue to be able to handle such power. Similar to a car. Your car may be able to hit 125 miles per hour as a maximum speed, but it can also drive at 10mph.
--------------------- The internet is filled with guitar/speaker terms like 'lush mids', 'sparkly highs', 'boxy mids', 'deep low end'. They're all subjective. There is no 'better or worse'. It's what your ears like to hear. That's what matters the most. One man's 'boxy mids' is another man's 'awesome tone'.
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Post by Joey Beverages on Jun 24, 2021 15:50:05 GMT -7
Wreck Jr with Gibson LP Special P-90s … bridge position …. all dials @12:00 … 112 cab with V-30 ….. beautiful bark and bite! Turn it up and have some fun So damn glad I bought this amp. Cheers always Joel
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