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Post by runninwiththerevil (Matthew) on Apr 30, 2021 20:39:11 GMT -7
So I think I've had staggered tuners on a couple guitars, but not on a Fender. These are supposed to be American Standard tuners which the listing didn't say, but I assumed were probably staggered. I've never had tuning pegs hardly pop out of the head stock like these. Anyone have an American Standard and can confirm the posts sitting so low??? As you can see, the tuners are installed properly so it isn't that they need to be pushed in more. Wondering if these are not legit tuners.
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Post by Mark (Basement Enthusiast) on May 1, 2021 7:16:49 GMT -7
Those seem to look like the "staggered" ones on my American Standard Fender Strat. I'm not near the guitar right now, but I do recall that its low E & A tuners are almost like they just "gave up and used regular ones," if that makes sense. But if you think about it, those strings don't require such low profile in order to achieve a good break-angle over the nut. I'm thinking you're OK here.
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Post by runninwiththerevil (Matthew) on May 1, 2021 9:30:00 GMT -7
Those seem to look like the "staggered" ones on my American Standard Fender Strat. I'm not near the guitar right now, but I do recall that its low E & A tuners are almost like they just "gave up and used regular ones," if that makes sense. But if you think about it, those strings don't require such low profile in order to achieve a good break-angle over the nut. I'm thinking you're OK here. Thanks Mark, I had a tech that works on a lot of guitars respond and tell me the E-B look good, but that the sets used to have higher middle heights. I found a store that had the specs listed for these tuners and had the four shorter listed at the same height. At some point Fender made a switch. These should give a tight angle off the nut. Just looked really weird.
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Post by Mark (Basement Enthusiast) on May 1, 2021 12:35:20 GMT -7
Thanks Mark, I had a tech that works on a lot of guitars respond and tell me the E-B look good, but that the sets used to have higher middle heights. I found a store that had the specs listed for these tuners and had the four shorter listed at the same height. At some point Fender made a switch. These should give a tight angle off the nut. Just looked really weird. Yes, I think you’re right actually, mine might be 2 + 2 + 2, but the low strings are definitely tall like that, and the high strings are short. It does look a little weird, but it’s only noticeable from the perspective of the player.
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Post by LT on May 1, 2021 13:15:52 GMT -7
My 2012 AS Strat looks just like yours Matthew, but my '89 has all-one-height pegs. You're OK.
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Post by nmz on May 1, 2021 15:12:38 GMT -7
Stock, my tele is the same.
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Post by The Bad Poodle Experience on May 4, 2021 8:54:20 GMT -7
interesting. so this was supposed to negate the need to screw a string tree into the face of your headstock? it's a bit of an odd look.
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Post by runninwiththerevil (Matthew) on May 4, 2021 8:59:41 GMT -7
interesting. so this was supposed to negate the need to screw a string tree into the face of your headstock? it's a bit of an odd look. Not sure if that was the intent. I got everything set up and the high E was still having a "ping" sound to it. Did a little more research and found Tele's still almost always require a string tree for the B-E regardless of the tuner height. I added one string tree and it fixed the issue. Even at the lowest height possible the angle off the nut just doesn't break enough. (so I read) I guess my question is, if you need a string tree anyway, do you really need staggered tuners?
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Post by The Bad Poodle Experience on May 4, 2021 10:45:52 GMT -7
www.strat-talk.com/threads/what-does-staggered-tuners-mean.366186/in thread above, there is mention of the staggered tuners on the Eric Johnson models being more staggered than on other models. so, there are likely a variety of staggered tuner sets out there. Sounds like they were intended to eliminate or reduce the need for string trees.
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Post by runninwiththerevil (Matthew) on May 4, 2021 11:56:20 GMT -7
www.strat-talk.com/threads/what-does-staggered-tuners-mean.366186/in thread above, there is mention of the staggered tuners on the Eric Johnson models being more staggered than on other models. so, there are likely a variety of staggered tuner sets out there. Sounds like they were intended to eliminate or reduce the need for string trees. In my search to see if this set was what Fender was actually making I found that they have sold sets that are three and three, and even two - two - two in various heights. The one tech I asked this question to said that my 2-4 set made more sense than Fender making three heights for 2-2-2.
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Post by nmz on May 4, 2021 14:08:12 GMT -7
My tele also came with a string tree for the E&B.
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Post by LT on May 5, 2021 14:57:17 GMT -7
www.strat-talk.com/threads/what-does-staggered-tuners-mean.366186/in thread above, there is mention of the staggered tuners on the Eric Johnson models being more staggered than on other models. so, there are likely a variety of staggered tuner sets out there. Sounds like they were intended to eliminate or reduce the need for string trees. In my search to see if this set was what Fender was actually making I found that they have sold sets that are three and three, and even two - two - two in various heights. The one tech I asked this question to said that my 2-4 set made more sense than Fender making three heights for 2-2-2. I just looked at my EJ Thinline and it has 2-2-2.
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