Post by bubs42 on Apr 23, 2021 11:41:02 GMT -7
Ok, here is my mini review. We must remember that 10's are not 12's so comparing them to each other is no apples to apples. Generally speaking 2 10's equal 1 12, and I have two cabinet that are the exact same specs. One 2x10 and one 1x12, so I loaded the V-Type into the 1x12 to compare.
Using the Carmen Ghia as my baseline, which is British based, low wattage that straddles the Marshall/Vox Line. The 12" V-Type sounds like a G12H30 and a Greenback had a baby. The thing that the Greenback lacks as a single speaker is single note depth, mushy bottom end when pushed or overdriven. But nothing else sounds like a Greenback and they sound great with a Ghia, but used as single they are limited to what you can do. Mixed with a G12H30 you get a mix of the 30's tighter bottom end, clarity and string separation along with a sparkle on the top end. It is a wonder mix and very almost Hi Fi.
The 12" V-type has bigger bottom end, clearer top end, but still gives up the goods like a Greenback. Then on top of that if, if you want to used a bigger amp with a fuller sound, it still has enough presence to not be too dark, or compress and get lost in a mix. The Bass is not going to make you disappear battling it out in the low registers and you will stay seperated from other Celestions such as a V30, Creamback, 1265.
So how does the VT JR's compare to the V-Type? The V-Type is brilliant sounding speaker, so when you turn it into a 10 generally you will loose little top, and little bottom and you will gain some Midrange. Sometimes this is where you loose the character of what you loved about the original or 12" version of a speaker. With the VT's I think the 12 is pushing the edges of both the bottom end and the top end, so when you go to the 10's you will find that the lows are quicker, and retains brilliants of the top end, the midrange is cutting, but won't make a small cabinet sound like a cardboard box. Open Back/Closed Back, I specifically had my cabs spec to a Dr. Z "Shorty" but in pine and a convertible back. The V-Types either 12 or 10 work great both ways, but my personal taste is the 12 Open and the 10's sound tighter and project more efficiently closed.
I don't think that you will be disappointed if you like the 12" version of the V-Type Speaker, but keep in mind that 10's never sound exactly like 12's. It is hard to find a speaker with character that is flexible enough to work with a multitude of amps, wattages, all while retaining its signature sound and not masking the sound of Amp. I really think between the actual weight of the speaker and the ability to work with multiple amp designed well is why you are seeing these pop up and being used by multiple amp manufactures.
Bonus: Compared to the same cab loaded with Red Fangs, the VTJR's are less efficient, with more presence and bite. They just are just more lively and work better at lower volume levels. The Red Fangs just need to be pushed and when your turned down a lot of what you like about those speakers disappear. BTW the Shorty Clone made of pine and loaded with the VTJR's can be picked up using your thumb and first finger.
Using the Carmen Ghia as my baseline, which is British based, low wattage that straddles the Marshall/Vox Line. The 12" V-Type sounds like a G12H30 and a Greenback had a baby. The thing that the Greenback lacks as a single speaker is single note depth, mushy bottom end when pushed or overdriven. But nothing else sounds like a Greenback and they sound great with a Ghia, but used as single they are limited to what you can do. Mixed with a G12H30 you get a mix of the 30's tighter bottom end, clarity and string separation along with a sparkle on the top end. It is a wonder mix and very almost Hi Fi.
The 12" V-type has bigger bottom end, clearer top end, but still gives up the goods like a Greenback. Then on top of that if, if you want to used a bigger amp with a fuller sound, it still has enough presence to not be too dark, or compress and get lost in a mix. The Bass is not going to make you disappear battling it out in the low registers and you will stay seperated from other Celestions such as a V30, Creamback, 1265.
So how does the VT JR's compare to the V-Type? The V-Type is brilliant sounding speaker, so when you turn it into a 10 generally you will loose little top, and little bottom and you will gain some Midrange. Sometimes this is where you loose the character of what you loved about the original or 12" version of a speaker. With the VT's I think the 12 is pushing the edges of both the bottom end and the top end, so when you go to the 10's you will find that the lows are quicker, and retains brilliants of the top end, the midrange is cutting, but won't make a small cabinet sound like a cardboard box. Open Back/Closed Back, I specifically had my cabs spec to a Dr. Z "Shorty" but in pine and a convertible back. The V-Types either 12 or 10 work great both ways, but my personal taste is the 12 Open and the 10's sound tighter and project more efficiently closed.
I don't think that you will be disappointed if you like the 12" version of the V-Type Speaker, but keep in mind that 10's never sound exactly like 12's. It is hard to find a speaker with character that is flexible enough to work with a multitude of amps, wattages, all while retaining its signature sound and not masking the sound of Amp. I really think between the actual weight of the speaker and the ability to work with multiple amp designed well is why you are seeing these pop up and being used by multiple amp manufactures.
Bonus: Compared to the same cab loaded with Red Fangs, the VTJR's are less efficient, with more presence and bite. They just are just more lively and work better at lower volume levels. The Red Fangs just need to be pushed and when your turned down a lot of what you like about those speakers disappear. BTW the Shorty Clone made of pine and loaded with the VTJR's can be picked up using your thumb and first finger.