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Post by llew on Mar 29, 2021 5:31:14 GMT -7
Hi,wondering if someone can help me. I'm seriously looking at picking up a z wreck jr head and wanted to know if anyone had any experience of using one with a z 1x12 cab and creamback 65? Cheers Llew.
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Post by Seńor Verde on Mar 30, 2021 7:52:33 GMT -7
I'm surprised nobody has responded yet. I'm probably not going to help much, if at all but here goes.
I don't have a Z-Wreck of any sort, but looks like images I've seen show a 1x12 with Celestion Greenback. I own a couple Creamback 65 speakers and a variety of Greenback clones. There are also videos on the web comparing a real Greenback to the Creamback. To my ears, the Creamback sounds similar, but with a fuller bottom. Seems like it would be a good match. If you have one, give it a try. I've also seen images of a Celestion Gold in 1x12 cabs with the Wreck, but that may be cost prohibitive for some people. Either way, good luck!
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Post by llew on Mar 30, 2021 8:40:09 GMT -7
Thanks for replying senor Verde, I've always thought of a creamback as a higher powered greenback. Was just wondering if anyone had a/b'd them.
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Post by jhen86 (jordan) on Mar 30, 2021 8:45:02 GMT -7
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Post by frankie on Mar 30, 2021 10:18:25 GMT -7
Hi,wondering if someone can help me. I'm seriously looking at picking up a z wreck jr head and wanted to know if anyone had any experience of using one with a z 1x12 cab and creamback 65? Cheers Llew. You'll be sacrificing some top end clarity as the Creamback is much smoother than the greenback, and this amp has a slightly smoother overdrive characteristic to begin with, and you'll increasing the bottom end. It may work in the closed back configuration better than open back, as that will focus the low end more. But I still think the Greenback is the better choice.
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Post by llew on Mar 30, 2021 11:45:32 GMT -7
Yeah on reflection I think I'd pick up a greenback and swap them over. Unfortunately the a wreck jr I was considering buying got snapped up. I'm kicking myself now for thinking about it instead of just getting it when I had the chance. The search continues, thanks for the comments everybody.
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Post by houstonwrecked on Mar 31, 2021 18:56:57 GMT -7
this is super interesting. I just ordered a Wreck jr and I have a freidman 1x12 cab that has a 65w Creamback. I was thinking about picking up a GB perhaps, Thoughts?
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Post by Seńor Verde on Apr 1, 2021 7:43:01 GMT -7
I'd try the Creamback first. With some amps I like it better than my Greenback clones, including a Scumback and Weber.
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Post by jhen86 (jordan) on Apr 1, 2021 8:11:36 GMT -7
Never hurts to try it first. I would second Frankie’s comments though. The Creamback is definitely a touch warmer up top. And I did overlook the fact the the Jr’s has a pretty warm/smooth overdrive to it. It was noticeably warmer than the big Wreck when I played it. That would be the one minor difference between the Sr and Jr wreck to my ear. I imagine that’s due to the OT more than anything. But there could be some other factors.
But Frankie is right again there. The cream may be too warm. If so, you could just crank your cut and treb a touch. I’d say they are close enough to start by trying what you have first and go from there.
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Post by llew on Apr 1, 2021 11:25:40 GMT -7
I'm gassing for z wreck something cruel.
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Post by frankie on Apr 2, 2021 12:59:53 GMT -7
I'm gassing for z wreck something cruel. There will be 2 ZW Jr. head heading to Humbucker next week, if you want to check to see if they aren't pre-sold already.
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Post by llew on Apr 3, 2021 4:07:55 GMT -7
Thanks frankie but I'm in the uk
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Post by LT on Apr 3, 2021 12:43:19 GMT -7
I never used my CB 65 with my Wreck, but I really liked it with my Remedy. I know that's a different animal from a Wreck though. Let us know what you go with once you score your Wreck!
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Post by llew on Apr 3, 2021 14:12:40 GMT -7
Hi LT yeah I like the creamback in my remedy too. I think it's the perfect speaker for that amp.
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Post by nightwulf1974 on Apr 4, 2021 6:06:45 GMT -7
I know this isn't exactly answering your question (albeit very relatable), but as a new Z Wreck Jr. owner I thought I would at least chime in FWIW. I tried a Greenback, Alnico Blue and a Scumnico initially through a V Cab 1 x 12 cab. All were too bright and present for my taste. After talking more with Jim at Scumback, he made me a M75LD. Here is the excerpt on that speaker:
"Same speaker as the M75, but with a large dust cap. The large dust cap smoothes out (rolls off) the highs, and makes the treble silkier on the top end, and adds a bit more bass response. The large dust cap model is similar in tone to a G12-65, but with the more authentic vintage Pre Rola type tone. It also handles higher gain better than small dust cap speakers, making it ideal for Dumble tone or high gain style players. This speaker is for: Those players who want a G12-65 tone with more low end."
As you know, the G12 is the Celestion Heritage Series, so the M75 is of the same ilk you could say. The large dust cap was ideal as it tames that top end and adds in a bit more lows. The G12 Heritage series adds a bit more low end compared to the Creamback is what I understand. There are countless threads online of the Creamback vs. G12 to read as well. Anyways, all I know is that the M75LD is simply an astonishing speaker and worth every penny. It is by far the best speaker of the lot I tried IMO and sounds unbelievable. So there you have it, just wanted to throw this information out there either way. Oh btw, Jim does ship to the UK and is an absolute pleasure to deal with.
Hope this was helpful in some way.
~ Nightwulf
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Post by helmi on Apr 4, 2021 7:12:59 GMT -7
I know this isn't exactly answering your question (albeit very relatable), but as a new Z Wreck Jr. owner I thought I would at least chime in FWIW. I tried a Greenback, Alnico Blue and a Scumnico initially through a V Cab 1 x 12 cab. All were too bright and present for my taste. After talking more with Jim at Scumback, he made me a M75LD. Here is the excerpt on that speaker: "Same speaker as the M75, but with a large dust cap. The large dust cap smoothes out (rolls off) the highs, and makes the treble silkier on the top end, and adds a bit more bass response. The large dust cap model is similar in tone to a G12-65, but with the more authentic vintage Pre Rola type tone. It also handles higher gain better than small dust cap speakers, making it ideal for Dumble tone or high gain style players. This speaker is for: Those players who want a G12-65 tone with more low end." As you know, the G12 is the Celestion Heritage Series, so the M75 is of the same ilk you could say. The large dust cap was ideal as it tames that top end and adds in a bit more lows. The G12 Heritage series adds a bit more low end compared to the Creamback is what I understand. There are countless threads online of the Creamback vs. G12 to read as well. Anyways, all I know is that the M75LD is simply an astonishing speaker and worth every penny. It is by far the best speaker of the lot I tried IMO and sounds unbelievable. So there you have it, just wanted to throw this information out there either way. Oh btw, Jim does ship to the UK and is an absolute pleasure to deal with. Hope this was helpful in some way. ~ Nightwulf Welcome to the forum. Great post. What pups are you using? I think this definitely makes a difference, and info people tend to leave out when describing things like this.
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Post by nightwulf1974 on Apr 4, 2021 12:30:16 GMT -7
I know this isn't exactly answering your question (albeit very relatable), but as a new Z Wreck Jr. owner I thought I would at least chime in FWIW. I tried a Greenback, Alnico Blue and a Scumnico initially through a V Cab 1 x 12 cab. All were too bright and present for my taste. After talking more with Jim at Scumback, he made me a M75LD. Here is the excerpt on that speaker: "Same speaker as the M75, but with a large dust cap. The large dust cap smoothes out (rolls off) the highs, and makes the treble silkier on the top end, and adds a bit more bass response. The large dust cap model is similar in tone to a G12-65, but with the more authentic vintage Pre Rola type tone. It also handles higher gain better than small dust cap speakers, making it ideal for Dumble tone or high gain style players. This speaker is for: Those players who want a G12-65 tone with more low end." As you know, the G12 is the Celestion Heritage Series, so the M75 is of the same ilk you could say. The large dust cap was ideal as it tames that top end and adds in a bit more lows. The G12 Heritage series adds a bit more low end compared to the Creamback is what I understand. There are countless threads online of the Creamback vs. G12 to read as well. Anyways, all I know is that the M75LD is simply an astonishing speaker and worth every penny. It is by far the best speaker of the lot I tried IMO and sounds unbelievable. So there you have it, just wanted to throw this information out there either way. Oh btw, Jim does ship to the UK and is an absolute pleasure to deal with. Hope this was helpful in some way. ~ Nightwulf Welcome to the forum. Great post. What pups are you using? I think this definitely makes a difference, and info people tend to leave out when describing things like this. Thanks man for the welcome! I am primarily using my Warmoth Tele these days on this amp and they go together like peanut and butter. My tele has Bare Knuckle Brown Sugar PUPS. Those not familiar with that set, here is the info from the BK site just for a reference point: "The Brown Sugar is a vintage hot Tele® set with classic mid range grind, tight bass and characteristic bite in the high-end. Well suited to players looking for authentic Tele® tones with a distinct rock voice." My cab is a partial closed back 1 x 12" for reference btw. On my Edwards LP, I believe they are some hot Duncan's, but not sure what set. I inherited that guitar from my dad and I've never removed them to check. I really need to turn the volume down to probably 8 and I still get great classic rock crunch. The other guitar I am using is a Precision Guitar Kit LP Jr. with (1) Wolfetone Meaner P90. That PUP is killer too. Very midrange and good bite. I have other guitars, but these three are the present rotation with this amp, but again - the Warmoth Tele is used probably 75% of the time. Those BK PUPS are packed full of tone and really pair well with the M75LD. Hope this is helpful! ~Nightwulf
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