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Post by joerebel on Mar 24, 2021 18:02:42 GMT -7
Hi! New Cure owner here. Picked up a Strymon Sunset to use with the Cure but I’m having a hard time dialling it in. What’s everyone’s go-to OD &/or Boost pedals to use with the Cure? I’m looking for low to medium gain drive tones.
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Post by Seńor Verde on Mar 24, 2021 18:34:35 GMT -7
I use a Barber Dual Discrete, with both sides being his Direct Drive Super Sport. So, I'd guess whatever current Direct Drive he's selling would be equivalent.
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Post by LT on Mar 24, 2021 18:37:05 GMT -7
Welcome to the forum! Lots of great folks here.
The Cure is my #1 gig amp.
I use 3 OD's, all set low so I can stack em if needed. My longtime first level OD has been a Boss BD-2 w Keeley mod. I just got the Keeley Super Fat Mod pedal and really like it. It's basically the same pedal but with a few very minor updates. I can get them to sound identical with nearly the same knob settings. It's pretty much an always-on. I use a Wampler Tumnus as a boost (but still with some low level drive) and then finish off with the Vertex Ultra Phonix (although this can also be a KOT or a BB Preamp; any of them sound great).
I haven't tried any of the Strymon OD's but do like their other pedals (I've had the Timeline and Brigadier and still have the Lex).
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Post by Don A on Mar 24, 2021 19:15:56 GMT -7
I like the Analogman Prince of Tone. It's the closest to cranked amp tone that I've heard.
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Post by loucardguitar (Johnathan) on Mar 24, 2021 20:00:17 GMT -7
I know this probably doesn't help, but I haven't really found an OD pedal that I don't like with the Cure. There are one's that I like better than others and appreciate the different tones you can get. That being said, the Union Tube & Transistor Tone Druid has become one of my favorites and it works very well with the Cure. It's one of those pedals that maintains the tone of your amp just more overdriven. It kind of straddles the line of boost and light-med gain OD. A little on the pricey side but well worth it. I almost always have it on. That and the Cure has pretty much become my base tone.
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Post by notscottagain on Mar 24, 2021 20:28:25 GMT -7
For whatever my opinion is worth..... I'm not much of a pedal fan, as I like the sound of my amps and prefer to get my gain tones from them. I also don't own a Cure, but I do own an original 1960 tweed Deluxe that is similar to a Cure. For my Deluxe and other vintage amps, I use a Crowther Audio Hot Cake when I can't crank the piss out of the amps. It makes all of my amps sound like themselves only with more gain. It also is very responsive to picking dynamics, something I always seem to find lacking in most boost pedals. Yeah, the Hot Cake has been around forever and it's not the cool new kid on the boutique block, but if you love the sound of your amp and you just want to give it some balls without changing its character, the Hot Cake will do that.
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Post by southmusic70 on Mar 25, 2021 6:08:35 GMT -7
Barber Gain Changer
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Post by tgpbeatnik on Mar 25, 2021 12:26:56 GMT -7
I gig the Cure. I typically leave the boost on. I use the JHS Double Barrel on the tube screamer side. I also have an old OCD for the big Marshall sound. I also have a Rocket Archer that I leave on as a low drive.
The Archer, as I said, is on all the time and it gives me lots of grit if I hit is it hard. The JHS pedal is that country rock thang.
When I need lots of drive and cut I hit the other side of the double barrel and let the instrument play itself.
All of those work when the Cure’s boost is not engaged as well. It is just a great amp!
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Post by "Z" Steve on Mar 25, 2021 12:41:21 GMT -7
Iam using a J Rockett Animal and GTO for meaner crunch, and a Tim and or Timmy for more natural OD and boost. Welcome to the forum and World of Z!
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Post by joerebel on Mar 25, 2021 13:25:55 GMT -7
I’ve been considering a Greer Lightspeed, Wampler Tumnus Deluxe and Xotic BB...anyone have any experience with these?
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Post by fallingstarsusa on Mar 25, 2021 16:12:41 GMT -7
I have no idea what the wait time or after-market prices are these days--but my AnalogMan King of Tone sounds great with the Cure. Add a Strymon Flint for trem and verb and a tuner and that's really all I need.
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Post by loucardguitar (Johnathan) on Mar 25, 2021 17:30:41 GMT -7
I have no idea what the wait time or after-market prices are these days--but my AnalogMan King of Tone sounds great with the Cure. Add a Strymon Flint for trem and verb and a tuner and that's really all I need. Yeah, the KOT wait list is at about 3 1/2 years currently. On the resell market they are going for around 700 minimum. Definitely great sounding pedal though. I'm at about 3 years and 2 or 3 months before I can order mine! Ha!
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Post by LT on Mar 25, 2021 19:09:00 GMT -7
I’ve been considering a Greer Lightspeed, Wampler Tumnus Deluxe and Xotic BB...anyone have any experience with these I have all three (I know, I have a problem!) The Greer does the transparent thing in spades. It can match a Timmy easily. I have the Tumnus Mini, not the Deluxe. It's not quite the same as, say, the RYRA Klone, which is supposed to be a dead nuts recreation(?). Still it gets you very much in the Klon ballpark. The BB Pre has undergone some variations in its circuit over the years. The earlier ones are supposed to have a slight bit more compression. I have an early one and also a new Andy Timmons BB sig pedal. Both sound great. Of the three, the Greer is the lowest gain. The Tumnus and BB can get quite gainey if you want them to. If I were to use all three together, the Greer would be "always on" with the Tumnus boosting into it, and the BB at the end. All three would be set to lower gain levels and I'd stack em as needed. That's me though....YMMV.
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Post by joerebel on Mar 25, 2021 19:26:59 GMT -7
So, I went ahead and pulled the trigger on 4 pedals. I ordered a Greer Lightspeed and a Southland, an Xotic BB and a Mythos Herculean. I’ll take em all for a spin and return the one(s) that don’t make the cut. Open to more suggestions if anyone has some. Thanks for the input. Cheers!!
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Post by loucardguitar (Johnathan) on Mar 25, 2021 19:44:44 GMT -7
I’ve been considering a Greer Lightspeed, Wampler Tumnus Deluxe and Xotic BB...anyone have any experience with these I have all three (I know, I have a problem!) The Greer does the transparent thing in spades. It can match a Timmy easily. I have the Tumnus Mini, not the Deluxe. It's not quite the same as, say, the RYRA Klone, which is supposed to be a dead nuts recreation(?). Still it gets you very much in the Klon ballpark. The BB Pre has undergone some variations in its circuit over the years. The earlier ones are supposed to have a slight bit more compression. I have an early one and also a new Andy Timmons BB sig pedal. Both sound great. Of the three, the Greer is the lowest gain. The Tumnus and BB can get quite gainey if you want them to. If I were to use all three together, the Greer would be "always on" with the Tumnus boosting into it, and the BB at the end. All three would be set to lower gain levels and I'd stack em as needed. That's me though....YMMV. Lou - If you have a problem, I'm right in the same ballpark. According to my Excel spreadsheet I have 28 dirt pedals currently and I still haven't tried those yet. Got some work to do!! Ha!! Joe - Good luck on your tone search. Hope you find a couple good dirt pedals that gets you the sound your looking for!!
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Post by LT on Mar 25, 2021 19:49:54 GMT -7
So, I went ahead and pulled the trigger on 4 pedals. I ordered a Greer Lightspeed and a Southland, an Xotic BB and a Mythos Herculean. I’ll take em all for a spin and return the one(s) that don’t make the cut. Open to more suggestions if anyone has some. Thanks for the input. Cheers!! Once you give em a spin, report back and let us know what you think.
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Post by Seńor Verde on Mar 25, 2021 20:14:29 GMT -7
I have some sort of a BB Custom pedal that I got from a bandmate. It had a mid control. I like this pedal with amps that have a lot of mids. I put the mid control at 9:00 and adjust the bass/highs accordingly and it really sounds like my amps, only with more gain. If you're using the Cure with some amp overdrive and like it, I think the BB will make you grin.
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Post by Don A on Mar 26, 2021 12:16:49 GMT -7
I have no idea what the wait time or after-market prices are these days--but my AnalogMan King of Tone sounds great with the Cure. Add a Strymon Flint for trem and verb and a tuner and that's really all I need. I'm using a Flint along with my Prince of Tone with my Cure. They complete the amp for me.
I had a King of Tone. My particular Prince of Tone was a tad better than my particular King of Tone (due to parts tolerances, I guess) and I wasn't stacking both sides of the KoT so I sold it a few weeks ago. Little did I know that prices would go up since then! People are crazy (for the KoT)!
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Post by Russell B on Mar 26, 2021 14:32:22 GMT -7
I’ve been boosting mine with a Wampler Tumnus Deluxe. I boost some mids with it too.
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Post by kenjazz on Mar 28, 2021 20:54:38 GMT -7
I use a electroharmonix east river drive. I have tried several other ones including way more expensive ones and still come back to this pedal. It just works super well with the cure.
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Post by kenjazz on Mar 28, 2021 21:02:01 GMT -7
I should mention that I do have the sampler tummy’s deluxe and maxon sd9 on my pedalboard which I occasionally use stacked with the East river drive. However 90% of the time it’s just the East river drive.
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Post by joerebel on Mar 30, 2021 10:09:09 GMT -7
So, I received the pedals that I ordered. Only had a chance to briefly try them. All of them made the amp sound fizzy/ratty...very unpleasant!! Not smooth drive tones at all. Didn’t matter which combination of pedals or eq settings on the amp. Nothing was plugged into the loop and all pedals were tested one or two at a time with nothing else in the signal chain. The amp sounds great with no pedals but sounds like 💩 as soon as I engage a pedal. I had hoped to use the amp as a clean pedal platform but my initial experience was not working out too well. Anyone have any suggestions? Bad tubes maybe? Replace the speaker? Maybe just buy a new amp? HELP!!!
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Post by loucardguitar (Johnathan) on Mar 30, 2021 11:12:33 GMT -7
So, I received the pedals that I ordered. Only had a chance to briefly try them. All of them made the amp sound fizzy/ratty...very unpleasant!! Not smooth drive tones at all. Didn’t matter which combination of pedals or eq settings on the amp. Nothing was plugged into the loop and all pedals were tested one or two at a time with nothing else in the signal chain. The amp sounds great with no pedals but sounds like 💩 as soon as I engage a pedal. I had hoped to use the amp as a clean pedal platform but my initial experience was not working out too well. Anyone have any suggestions? Bad tubes maybe? Replace the speaker? Maybe just buy a new amp? HELP!!! If you like the sound of the amp without the pedals, then I doubt there are any issues with the tubes or speaker. Because I would assume you wouldn't like the amp without the pedals, if they were bad. You may know to do this but do you start out by setting the level on the pedals to at least unity or just above before you set the gain? If you don't I would start out with the gain almost off and set the level on the pedal to unity and then bring the gain up to the point with the amount of dirt that you want. You may have to back the level off a little if it starts to get too loud. A pedal usually won't sound all that great if it's not at least at unity.
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Post by kenjazz on Mar 30, 2021 18:00:00 GMT -7
I have the cure love it. The best OD I have found is the electroharmonix East river drive it was designed by analogman and sounds amazing with the cure. They are under 100$ new. It’s smooth and detailed overdrive.
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Post by Maddog on Mar 31, 2021 5:47:48 GMT -7
So, I received the pedals that I ordered. Only had a chance to briefly try them. All of them made the amp sound fizzy/ratty...very unpleasant!! Not smooth drive tones at all. Didn’t matter which combination of pedals or eq settings on the amp. Nothing was plugged into the loop and all pedals were tested one or two at a time with nothing else in the signal chain. The amp sounds great with no pedals but sounds like 💩 as soon as I engage a pedal. I had hoped to use the amp as a clean pedal platform but my initial experience was not working out too well. Anyone have any suggestions? Bad tubes maybe? Replace the speaker? Maybe just buy a new amp? HELP!!! On your Cure: You might try turning down the Volume (gain) and compensate by increasing the Master. If your amp is already "gainy" (Volume turned up) and you hit it with a drive pedal, it's more prone to getting "fizzy."
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Post by "Z" Steve on Mar 31, 2021 7:18:35 GMT -7
So, I received the pedals that I ordered. Only had a chance to briefly try them. All of them made the amp sound fizzy/ratty...very unpleasant!! Not smooth drive tones at all. Didn’t matter which combination of pedals or eq settings on the amp. Nothing was plugged into the loop and all pedals were tested one or two at a time with nothing else in the signal chain. The amp sounds great with no pedals but sounds like 💩 as soon as I engage a pedal. I had hoped to use the amp as a clean pedal platform but my initial experience was not working out too well. Anyone have any suggestions? Bad tubes maybe? Replace the speaker? Maybe just buy a new amp? HELP!!! On your Cure: You might try turning down the Volume (gain) and compensate by increasing the Master. If your amp is already "gainy" (Volume turned up) and you hit it with a drive pedal, it's more prone to getting "fizzy." THIS!!! I love the sound of an amp just on the verge of breakup and then adding my OD pedal to that. I have set my Cure, Maz 8, along with previous amps (Z28, Maz 38 & 18, and even the Remedy) the same way. I am never able to play amps at that "large venue" setting where all my gain is coming from the amp. It would be great to be a kid again and utilize the EMG or CAZ amps for that classic sound, but I've modified things to make it work for me. Lately I've been running my Cure fairly clean then using my Timmy for a mild boost & breakup, then stacking the Tim or a J Rockett pedal on top for more girth. BTW, is your Cure in EQ bypass while using pedals? Keep us posted.
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Post by LT on Mar 31, 2021 10:22:43 GMT -7
I use my Cure as a mostly clean pedal platform. WIth Strats, my V is at 11 o'clock, the Master is dimed and the Level is as needed. The tones are all around 10 o'clock. I don't use the EQ Bypass.
That Greer Lightspeed should sound great. I set mine: Loudness 11, Freq noon, Drive 1. Adding this to the Cure settings above gives me a slightly gained up version of the base Cure tone.
If you're using HB guitars, these settings will bring a good amount of gain.
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Post by loucardguitar (Johnathan) on Mar 31, 2021 11:59:41 GMT -7
Also another thing I have noticed. Although the level control on the Cure sounds OK at whisper quiet levels. Still it loves to be at 9 o'clock and above. The amp seems to really come alive after the 9 o'clock mark.
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Post by joerebel on Mar 31, 2021 13:12:18 GMT -7
Also another thing I have noticed. Although the level control on the Cure sounds OK at whisper quiet levels. Still it loves to be at 9 o'clock and above. The amp seems to really come alive after the 9 o'clock mark. I think that might have been my problem. I was testing the pedals late in the evening at “bedroom levels”. The amp definitely reacts differently with the level cranked up a bit. I’ll try em again when I get some free time next week.
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Post by joerebel on Apr 7, 2021 18:21:39 GMT -7
Finally had a chance to try out the pedals I picked up with the amp wound up a bit. WOW!! What a difference!! Can’t believe how much better they all sounded and the Cure took every one of em like a champ. Very impressed!!
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