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Post by helmi on Mar 22, 2021 7:25:28 GMT -7
OK, another speaker ? for the masses, before i call my personal gear guru Marc (headshrinker) and ask him. AND. please refrain from the " just buy a bunch of speakers and try them" answers, because, I know I can do that, but the point of this inquiry is to try and save time and money, and avoid that! LOL I have a little 12w combo with a 10" greenback in it. the greenback sounds great. the ONLY thing I would change about the greenback was I wish it had a little more volume output. SO, can anyone suggest a 10" speaker, that acts and sounds almost identical to a 10" greenback, but has a little more volume?
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Post by Chilly Gibbons (Todd T.) on Mar 22, 2021 8:07:31 GMT -7
First thing that comes to mind is Scumback, but he doesn't make a 10" anymore. Maybe look for a used one.
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Post by Jaguarguy (Mike) on Mar 22, 2021 8:27:03 GMT -7
Mark (Basement Enthusiast) also is a wealth of knowledge on speakers.
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Post by "Z" Steve on Mar 22, 2021 9:19:27 GMT -7
Mark (Basement Enthusiast) also is a wealth of knowledge on speakers. As is John!
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Post by Mark (Basement Enthusiast) on Mar 22, 2021 10:16:50 GMT -7
Hmmm....I would say maybe the G10 Gold--which I haven't owned myself, but I have heard pcns 's and it sounded great (in a Ghia). I can't say for sure how exactly similar it is to the G10 Greenback, but it did sound "very good," and slightly louder (higher sensitivity), but still the British sound. That would be my first swap if you're looking to keep similar sound-profile/traits but go louder (and sorry, more expensive). The Eminence Ragin' Cajun is very loud too; however it's more along the lines of a G12H-30 crammed into a 10" speaker--much bigger lows & highs and scooped mids compared to a Greenback (10" or 12") speaker. Also, the Ramrod is super loud and responsive, but to me is a bolder speaker with lots of punch in the mids. I loved it with the Monza for more-forward higher-gain stuff. Incidentally, too, I liked the G10 Greenback also with the Monza, for more of the bluesy/clean/edge-of-breakup sound. I miss it... that was a fun little amp.
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Post by daddyelmis (Greg) on Mar 22, 2021 13:00:44 GMT -7
Don’t forget Doc’s Z10. I ran those in my Z28 with great results. It’s a 97db speaker, so the same as the G10 gold (celestion says the gold is 98db sensitivity).
Doc’s 10’s are a very affordable $98 - so worth a try.
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Post by helmi on Mar 22, 2021 16:39:21 GMT -7
Don’t forget Doc’s Z10. I ran those in my Z28 with great results. It’s a 97db speaker, so the same as the G10 gold (celestion says the gold is 98db sensitivity). Doc’s 10’s are a very affordable $98 - so worth a try. I have one, but the Z 10’s are 16 ohm. I believe I can only use a 8ohm speaker in the combo. No speaker outs, and the stock greenback is 8 ohm.
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Post by zpilot on Mar 22, 2021 18:41:57 GMT -7
I just happened to have run into this shootout on YouTube yesterday. There might be something here for you.
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Post by purpletele on Mar 22, 2021 20:08:06 GMT -7
I just happened to have run into this shootout on YouTube yesterday. There might be something here for you. That was a great video, but I couldn't discern what is better or worse, although I didn't like the Oxford very much. I have the Weber 10F150 in my beefed up Princeton, it sounds really nice, I have a 10" Gold waiting to be a part of a new amp to be built. helmi, Regarding your question, the Creamback goes out at 96dB and the gold is at 98db. I thought the Creamback sounded great in this video, very similar to the Greenback, and it meets the criteria. 2 cents
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Post by zpilot on Mar 22, 2021 20:38:47 GMT -7
I have a 10F150 in a PR as well. Great speaker. Not a Greenback type though. I've had a Ramrod in a small amp before and it was great for rock.
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Post by digs57 on Mar 23, 2021 7:33:13 GMT -7
Have ramrod and its an amazing 10...sounds like a 12...brian mentioned creamback...yeah.
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Post by bubs42 on Mar 23, 2021 9:16:59 GMT -7
Celestion Creamback, or my choice would be the V Type Jr. 10". The 12" is louder than the greenback, a touch cleaner, but still has the karrang and feel of the Greenback.
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Post by KeithA on Mar 23, 2021 14:25:07 GMT -7
The only 10 foot speaker I’ve seen is the one in Back to the Future. I’m not sure how that one stacks up against a Greenback. Lol, now’s a good time to run & hide from Helmi
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Post by runninwiththerevil (Matthew) on Mar 23, 2021 15:10:19 GMT -7
10” and volume = Red Fang. I couldn’t handle how much more output it gave me with my Ghia. So loud I lost a lot of the diversity you can get with the two knobs because I couldn’t get it above 25% on the volume. The Red Fang is really efficient (= more loud!).
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Post by runninwiththerevil (Matthew) on Mar 23, 2021 15:46:46 GMT -7
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Post by John on Mar 23, 2021 16:22:17 GMT -7
I have no experience with the 10" greenback. But I do have a lot of experience with the 12" greenback, and both 10" & 12" golds. I have often thought the gold/blue sound is somewhat close to greenbacks. They all have less bass than a lot of other speakers, and therefore let the mids come through better. I think the gold/blue mids are slightly more upper-mid focused where the greenback's mids are a bit more spread out over the whole midrange spectrum. But overall, pretty close. So therefore I'd recommend a 10" gold. I've also had a 10" red fang...which I hated. Very loud, but it seemed to have a strange lower mid push about it. Folks here on the forum have liked it, but I took an instant dislike to it.
And not to mess things up more, but I wouldn't rule out one of Ted Weber's speakers. Here's the page for the "British" 10" speakers. You could call them and ask which is best for what you're looking for. (Which I would bet would be the Ceramic Silver 10) But I will say this, Weber speakers are known for being a little on the inefficient side. (normally, something I like) but in this case you may want something more efficient.
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Post by helmi on Mar 23, 2021 16:28:05 GMT -7
I’ve seen his stuff before. It’s interesting.
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Post by helmi on Mar 23, 2021 16:29:08 GMT -7
The only 10 foot speaker I’ve seen is the one in Back to the Future. I’m not sure how that one stacks up against a Greenback. your opinions are always PRICELESS!.
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Post by helmi on Mar 23, 2021 16:31:27 GMT -7
Some interesting suggestions. I have had a ramrod before. It was great with the Monsanto. I have a v-10, but it’s 16 ohm. thanks fella’s.
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Post by zpilot on Mar 24, 2021 3:40:10 GMT -7
Celestion Creamback, or my choice would be the V Type Jr. 10". The 12" is louder than the greenback, a touch cleaner, but still has the karrang and feel of the Greenback. My Choice would be the Creamback also.
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Post by KeithA on Mar 24, 2021 5:08:29 GMT -7
Celestion Creamback, or my choice would be the V Type Jr. 10". The 12" is louder than the greenback, a touch cleaner, but still has the karrang and feel of the Greenback. My Choice would be the Creamback also. That was my takeaway from the video as well.
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Post by John on Mar 24, 2021 7:25:25 GMT -7
Edit:
I didn't know there was a 10" creamback. But it comes in at only 96db. The 10" greenback comes in at 95db. The 10" gold comes in at 98db...so the gold is significantly louder for a given amount of power. (but I haven't yet watched the video)
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Post by Don A on Mar 24, 2021 16:51:12 GMT -7
Edit: I didn't know there was a 10" creamback. But it comes in at only 96db. The 10" greenback comes in at 95db. The 10" gold comes in at 98db...so the gold is significantly louder for a given amount of power. (but I haven't yet watched the video) I have an amp with a 10" Creamback in it (Mesa Mark V:25 1x10" combo) and I have tried my 10" Celestion Gold in it. It is noticeably louder and punchier with the Gold in it. I know the SPL difference is only a couple of db and that shouldn't be noticeable, but it may have peaks at certain frequencies that we're sensitive to or react differently at different volume levels. The Gold sounded good at clean settings, but was a little fizzy or raspy at higher gain settings. The Creamback is a good speaker. The clean sound wasn't that different and it sounded better at high gain settings.
This amp sounds way better through a larger speaker, but that may have more to do with cabinet size- the amp is slightly larger than a Fender 5F1 Champ!
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Post by timmytva on Mar 25, 2021 13:31:42 GMT -7
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Post by 63fenderman on Apr 2, 2021 10:38:18 GMT -7
I have a greenback 10 and a gold 10. Live the gold but, it has a ton moreheadroom and doesn't really breakup like the 10 even with my ghia dimed. I would look at the cream back 10.
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Post by premiumplus (Dave) on Apr 6, 2021 9:36:09 GMT -7
I'm late to the party but with my Ghia I went from a Red Fang to a Z-10 to a Jensen P10R to a Gold, finally to a Greenback. I'd say the Gold for sure, I thought it sounded a lot like the Greenback but louder.
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Post by j4gitr (John) on Apr 13, 2021 14:51:01 GMT -7
I took a 10” gold out of my 1x10 Ghia and replaced it with a 10” WGS Green Beret a few hours ago and immediately noticed a significant drop in volume. I state this in support of those whom are suggesting Gold. It is louder and bolder. This is my second WGS speaker and each has been great. The WGS Retro 10” claims to be a cousin of the Green Beret and clocks in at 100db vs the Green Beret’s 96bd. I have no experience with the Retro so I can’t attest to their claim, but I think I’m becoming a WGS fan.
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Post by bubs42 on Apr 13, 2021 20:21:21 GMT -7
The two that I would recommend are the Creamback and the Celestion VT JR. the VT JR being my personal choice .
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