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Post by Russell B on Feb 16, 2021 12:19:21 GMT -7
I watched Doc's live question and answers video last week and one of the questions was "which Z amp was most like a Dumble"? The CAZ was the answer. I think you can get close to that sound with the CAZ. I'm sure the dynamics are pretty close too.
Yet, the CAZ is its own wonderful thing. I've really enjoyed playing mine. So, Dumbly or not, I would put this amp up next to anything. No amp is going to beat the craftsmanship of Z amp builds, PERIOD!
Carry on!
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Post by frankie on Feb 16, 2021 14:20:35 GMT -7
All Dumbles are different to each players spec of course, but I think with the gain down, sensitivty up, and aggression down you can find that sort of saturated fat Dumble-esque overdrive the CAZ. Not my preference, but it's definitely a suitable facsimile.
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Feb 16, 2021 14:56:34 GMT -7
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Post by Russell B on Feb 16, 2021 14:56:34 GMT -7
All Dumbles are different to each players spec of course, but I think with the gain down, sensitivty up, and aggression down you can find that sort of saturated fat Dumble-esque overdrive the CAZ. Not my preference, but it's definitely a suitable facsimile. Frankie, this is interesting. What you said above is exactly what I did that made me think it was a little "Dumbly".
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Post by notscottagain on Feb 17, 2021 8:40:15 GMT -7
Keeping the aggression down, I get more of the lower mid Dumbly thing with the sensitivity lower and the gain higher. The SRV SSS thing I find with the sensitivity higher and the gain lower. Every time I plug into this thing, I find something cool and exciting.
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Post by Russell B on Feb 17, 2021 9:02:13 GMT -7
Keeping the aggression down, I get more of the lower mid Dumbly thing with the sensitivity lower and the gain higher. The SRV SSS thing I find with the sensitivity higher and the gain lower. Every time I plug into this thing, I find something cool and exciting. I'll try it this way today! I turn the Aggression up just enough to get those harmonics going when looking for the Dumbly sound.
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Post by notscottagain on Feb 17, 2021 9:11:52 GMT -7
Keeping the aggression down, I get more of the lower mid Dumbly thing with the sensitivity lower and the gain higher. The SRV SSS thing I find with the sensitivity higher and the gain lower. Every time I plug into this thing, I find something cool and exciting. I'll try it this way today! I turn the Aggression up just enough to get those harmonics going when looking for the Dumbly sound. I know the amp was designed and marketed as a high-gain amp but it does so much more than the detuned chugga-chugga thing. There are so many tones inside this amp that can be unlocked by just twisting some knobs.
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Post by Russell B on Feb 17, 2021 11:22:50 GMT -7
I'll try it this way today! I turn the Aggression up just enough to get those harmonics going when looking for the Dumbly sound. I know the amp was designed and marketed as a high-gain amp but it does so much more than the detuned chugga-chugga thing. There are so many tones inside this amp that can be unlocked by just twisting some knobs. No doubt about it! I can make it sound close to my Cure!
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Post by frankie on Feb 17, 2021 13:19:19 GMT -7
I'll try it this way today! I turn the Aggression up just enough to get those harmonics going when looking for the Dumbly sound. I know the amp was designed and marketed as a high-gain amp but it does so much more than the detuned chugga-chugga thing. There are so many tones inside this amp that can be unlocked by just twisting some knobs. This is a great quote. May we use this and could you provide a first name and last initial to attribute it to?
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Post by notscottagain on Feb 17, 2021 13:25:51 GMT -7
I know the amp was designed and marketed as a high-gain amp but it does so much more than the detuned chugga-chugga thing. There are so many tones inside this amp that can be unlocked by just twisting some knobs. This is a great quote. May we use this and could you provide a first name and last initial to attribute it to? I assume by "we" you mean Dr. Z, and if so yes, feel free to quote me, Scott P.
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Post by DRZ on Feb 17, 2021 13:43:38 GMT -7
This is a great quote. May we use this and could you provide a first name and last initial to attribute it to? I assume by "we" you mean Dr. Z, and if so yes, feel free to quote me, Scott P. Scott, great quote caught my eye, and would like to use it . It does say it all about the CAZ in two sentences. Thanks, DR.Z
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Feb 17, 2021 14:35:36 GMT -7
Post by j4gitr (John) on Feb 17, 2021 14:35:36 GMT -7
Great eye opening quote
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Post by Russell B on Feb 18, 2021 5:43:45 GMT -7
Keeping the aggression down, I get more of the lower mid Dumbly thing with the sensitivity lower and the gain higher. The SRV SSS thing I find with the sensitivity higher and the gain lower. Every time I plug into this thing, I find something cool and exciting. I tried it like this and you’re right. I thought it sounded more like Robben Ford’s tone than my settings. I went back to my settings and now understand why you said it had more of a SSS tone. It really is amazing what this amp can do.
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Post by notscottagain on Feb 18, 2021 7:25:38 GMT -7
Keeping the aggression down, I get more of the lower mid Dumbly thing with the sensitivity lower and the gain higher. The SRV SSS thing I find with the sensitivity higher and the gain lower. Every time I plug into this thing, I find something cool and exciting. I tried it like this and you’re right. I thought it sounded more like Robben Ford’s tone than my settings. I went back to my settings and now understand why you said it had more of a SSS tone. It really is amazing what this amp can do. Robben Ford exactly! The thing with Dumbles is that there is no single Dumble sound. They all have that loosy goosy low end to an extent but SRV with a SSS sounds much tighter, clearer and has more bite than Ford's typical tones. The other thing with Dumbles that the CAZ emulates well is the responsiveness. The tone is very dependent upon the player's touch. What I really like about the CAZ is that ability to do both the creamy smooth OD thing similar to a Dumble as well as the aggressive, upper mid bite similar to a modern Marshall. Yeah, my CAZ is a keeper!
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Post by Russell B on Feb 18, 2021 7:31:21 GMT -7
I tried it like this and you’re right. I thought it sounded more like Robben Ford’s tone than my settings. I went back to my settings and now understand why you said it had more of a SSS tone. It really is amazing what this amp can do. Robben Ford exactly! The thing with Dumbles is that there is no single Dumble sound. They all have that loosy goosy low end to an extent but SRV with a SSS sounds much tighter, clearer and has more bite than Ford's typical tones. The other thing with Dumbles that the CAZ emulates well is the responsiveness. The tone is very dependent upon the player's touch. What I really like about the CAZ is that ability to do both the creamy smooth OD thing similar to a Dumble as well as the aggressive, upper mid bite similar to a modern Marshall. Yeah, my CAZ is a keeper! Yep. Robben Ford without the flabby low end! It's an amazing amp.
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Post by bigboki on Mar 13, 2021 14:53:08 GMT -7
I watched Doc's live question and answers video last week and one of the questions was "which Z amp was most like a Dumble"? The CAZ was the answer. I think you can get close to that sound with the CAZ. I'm sure the dynamics are pretty close too. Yet, the CAZ is its own wonderful thing. I've really enjoyed playing mine. So, Dumbly or not, I would put this amp up next to anything. No amp is going to beat the craftsmanship of Z amp builds, PERIOD! Carry on! Where can i find that video? Thank you in advance
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Post by Russell B on Mar 13, 2021 16:50:07 GMT -7
I watched Doc's live question and answers video last week and one of the questions was "which Z amp was most like a Dumble"? The CAZ was the answer. I think you can get close to that sound with the CAZ. I'm sure the dynamics are pretty close too. Yet, the CAZ is its own wonderful thing. I've really enjoyed playing mine. So, Dumbly or not, I would put this amp up next to anything. No amp is going to beat the craftsmanship of Z amp builds, PERIOD! Carry on! Where can i find that video? Thank you in advance I think I saw it on Instagram.
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Post by bigboki on Mar 13, 2021 22:37:15 GMT -7
Where can i find that video? Thank you in advance I think I saw it on Instagram. YES found it! www.instagram.com/tv/CLNDQ-MBLu4/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_linkQ at 1 minute 20 secs. I was not aware of Instagram posts and live QAs - such a great idea. And seeing good Dr Z at work - wow. Such a patience and a attention to details. Wow I am completely amazed. Thank you so much for your answer, and thank you Dr Z for making such a wonderful Amps!
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Post by Seńor Verde on Mar 14, 2021 5:35:14 GMT -7
Robben Ford exactly! The thing with Dumbles is that there is no single Dumble sound. They all have that loosy goosy low end to an extent but SRV with a SSS sounds much tighter, clearer and has more bite than Ford's typical tones. The other thing with Dumbles that the CAZ emulates well is the responsiveness. The tone is very dependent upon the player's touch. What I really like about the CAZ is that ability to do both the creamy smooth OD thing similar to a Dumble as well as the aggressive, upper mid bite similar to a modern Marshall. Yeah, my CAZ is a keeper! Yep. Robben Ford without the flabby low end! It's an amazing amp. To my ears, Robben Ford's Talk To Your Daughter had a more open, tighter sound than much of his later stuff. If I could get close to that sound, relatively speaking, That would be cool.
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Post by Russell B on Mar 15, 2021 11:52:27 GMT -7
Yep. Robben Ford without the flabby low end! It's an amazing amp. To my ears, Robben Ford's Talk To Your Daughter had a more open, tighter sound than much of his later stuff. If I could get close to that sound, relatively speaking, That would be cool. The CAZ is not a Dumble and it is not advertised as a Dumble clone, BUT it has a lot in common with one. Both are American Voiced amps. Both hare high gain. Both are very touch sensitive. With enough knob turning, I think you can get a reasonable Robben Ford tone.
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Post by premiumplus (Dave) on Mar 15, 2021 16:36:57 GMT -7
The more experience I gain with my CAZ the more I realize it defies categorization. You just can't put it in a box and say, "It's a high gain amp" or "It's a Dumblesque amp" or "It's a Soldano killer"...it's more. I've never plugged into a more versatile amplifier.
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Post by adam on Mar 16, 2021 5:25:23 GMT -7
The more experience I gain with my CAZ the more I realize it defies categorization. You just can't put it in a box and say, "It's a high gain amp" or "It's a Dumblesque amp" or "It's a Soldano killer"...it's more. I've never plugged into a more versatile amplifier. Ditto that. Not sure if this is worth comparison, but in the Randall MTS line I have a Jaded Faith (he mods those things) Dumble module, and in the Synergy line I have the ODS module which is supposed to be their take on a dumble. Those 2 are miles apart from one another, as is the CAZ from those 2. Maybe the CAZ is the Dumble that Dumble never built. Quick iPhone clip of the ODS module just for some kind of reference.
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Post by eeyore on May 12, 2021 18:52:33 GMT -7
I'll try it this way today! I turn the Aggression up just enough to get those harmonics going when looking for the Dumbly sound. I know the amp was designed and marketed as a high-gain amp but it does so much more than the detuned chugga-chugga thing. There are so many tones inside this amp that can be unlocked by just twisting some knobs. Has anyone tried the detuned chugga chugga thing? 😎
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Post by Russell B on May 13, 2021 6:55:01 GMT -7
I know the amp was designed and marketed as a high-gain amp but it does so much more than the detuned chugga-chugga thing. There are so many tones inside this amp that can be unlocked by just twisting some knobs. Has anyone tried the detuned chugga chugga thing? 😎 I've not tried it, but this amp will do it for sure.
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Post by frankie on May 13, 2021 9:49:38 GMT -7
I know the amp was designed and marketed as a high-gain amp but it does so much more than the detuned chugga-chugga thing. There are so many tones inside this amp that can be unlocked by just twisting some knobs. Has anyone tried the detuned chugga chugga thing? 😎 Here's a LP detuned to drop C# that was from the earlier prototyping sessions. I believe this proto amp had a touch less amount of gain on tap from the current iteration, so there's even a more in the production amp. LP in drop C#
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Post by eeyore on May 13, 2021 11:03:26 GMT -7
Has anyone tried the detuned chugga chugga thing? 😎 Here's a LP detuned to drop C# that was from the earlier prototyping sessions. I believe this proto amp had a touch less amount of gain on tap from the current iteration, so there's even a more in the production amp. LP in drop C# THAT is the stuff right there! Thank you!
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Post by frankie on May 13, 2021 12:25:35 GMT -7
Here's a LP detuned to drop C# that was from the earlier prototyping sessions. I believe this proto amp had a touch less amount of gain on tap from the current iteration, so there's even a more in the production amp. LP in drop C# THAT is the stuff right there! Thank you! Not a lot of people have showcased that side of the amp quite yet, but there was a point in the development that there were 7 high gain amps in the room with the early prototype that were sampled and the gain and tightness in the CAZ was tweaked and altered to what it is now. The most powerful control for that sort of playing is the aggression control, which will tighten the lows and add sizzle to the high mids. That clip was played with the Aggression at 3:00, Gain at 2:00, Sensitivity at 11:30, so there's no doubt you can get there with ease. Those are with standard output Duncan '59s too.
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Post by jnovac1 on Jul 5, 2021 9:36:00 GMT -7
Yep. Robben Ford without the flabby low end! It's an amazing amp. To my ears, Robben Ford's Talk To Your Daughter had a more open, tighter sound than much of his later stuff. If I could get close to that sound, relatively speaking, That would be cool. interesting that dr.z said the caz has “a great clean sound”. i’ll find out in about a week when mine arrives.
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Post by doctorice on Jul 5, 2021 12:35:33 GMT -7
To my ears, Robben Ford's Talk To Your Daughter had a more open, tighter sound than much of his later stuff. If I could get close to that sound, relatively speaking, That would be cool. interesting that dr.z said the caz has “a great clean sound”. i’ll find out in about a week when mine arrives. The combination of gain and sensitivity controls also allows you to really tailor the range of tones you can get using the guitar volume knob. The sound can stay pretty clean at low guitar V settings and light attack, then you can pick harder for more grit. Then turn up the guitar V and keep playing around with pick attack to rock out. Very versatile.
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Post by Russell B on Jul 5, 2021 12:42:19 GMT -7
To my ears, Robben Ford's Talk To Your Daughter had a more open, tighter sound than much of his later stuff. If I could get close to that sound, relatively speaking, That would be cool. interesting that dr.z said the caz has “a great clean sound”. i’ll find out in about a week when mine arrives. You will be amazed at how clean it will it.
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Post by jnovac1 on Jul 13, 2021 15:05:26 GMT -7
interesting that dr.z said the caz has “a great clean sound”. i’ll find out in about a week when mine arrives. You will be amazed at how clean it will it. got it monday morning. absolutely can deliver a sparkling clean, especially if you caress the strings. fave settings today, with the melancon classic artist t (clock settings)- thd 2-12 with “longhorn” classic lead 80’s- level 915 presence 1130 aggression one nudge from off bass 2 mid 930 treble 1245 gain 915 sensitivity 1 15
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