joe.h
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Post by joe.h on Oct 2, 2020 17:06:29 GMT -7
i used to own a stangray 2x12 combo with celestion golds awesome sound. But way to loud for gigs had a brake lite but they really suck the tone but what about a 15 watt version of this amp I have the z wreck jr and its plenty load enough for gigs so I bet a 15 watt stangray would also be load enough too imagine being able to turn it up so the amp was cooking oh man what a sound that would be. Oh well only dreaming
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Post by Jaguarguy (Mike) on Oct 2, 2020 17:19:49 GMT -7
The M12 with Steve Miller mods is pretty close to a mini-Stingray.
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Post by jhen86 (jordan) on Oct 2, 2020 20:34:24 GMT -7
M12 or RXJR would be closest.
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Post by KeithA on Oct 3, 2020 5:55:44 GMT -7
The M12 with Steve Miller mods is pretty close to a mini-Stingray. I’d say you are right. However, that still wouldn’t solve the poster’s master volume issue, unless a new mkII M12 would (or could) incorporate a MV.
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Post by Jaguarguy (Mike) on Oct 3, 2020 7:46:32 GMT -7
I think with a less efficient speaker you could get the M12 cooking at a reasonable sound level
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Post by lowbudget on Oct 3, 2020 8:07:52 GMT -7
The M12 with Steve Miller mods is pretty close to a mini-Stingray. I’d say you are right. However, that still wouldn’t solve the poster’s master volume issue, unless a new mkII M12 would (or could) incorporate a MV. Just one guy's opinion, but given the unbelievably useful volume sweep and multifunctional tone knobs on the M12 I'm not sure most folks would need an MV on it.
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Post by jhen86 (jordan) on Oct 4, 2020 10:39:13 GMT -7
I agree. No need for a MV on an M12 unless you're trying to get bedroom quiet. I've mentioned this in a few other spots but my take on the M12 and RXJR tones...
The RXJr is way closer to the Ray than the M12 in terms of EQ. RXJR has the huge lows and highs and percussive punch of the Ray. That and, a VERY scooped midrange. M12 is much more restrained in lows and highs. It's a great sound. Just different from the Ray. M12 does have more of that bubbly midrange texture from the EF86 though.
I have been tweaking my RXJR lately, and I think I've dialed it in closer to a 1/2 power Ray than my M12. Settings: Boost On. This runs the EF86 in pentode and you get more of that EF86 fatness. But it's way too much drive, so you have to run into the LOW input. Keep the gain at like 11 o clock. Cleanish driven Ray tone.
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Post by jhen86 (jordan) on Oct 4, 2020 10:42:25 GMT -7
Side note: The ONLY 100% authentic solution would be this: ztalk.proboards.com/thread/83172/new-ray-incomingjoe.h If you have the coin, Doc was doing custom builds for legacy models a while back. If he still is, you could go that route and have it built with a 1/2 power switch. Check in with Redzsrock. OR.... You could get a used Stingray and send it to Doc for a full checkover and 1/2 power install.
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Post by redzsrock on Oct 29, 2020 6:58:45 GMT -7
I ordered my Stangray with a half-power switch. I usually run it at half-power through a single 12" Celestion Blue. Just amazing! IMHO, the half-power option is where it's at.
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Post by John on Nov 19, 2020 8:33:54 GMT -7
Late to the game, and here's my useless 2 cents: I owned a Stangray and a Maz jr at the same time. I A/B'd them, (at stage volume) trying to get the maz to sound like a Stangray at lower power. I used the same speaker/cabinet. (EDIT: I remember now, it was the gold in the combo ray) I was using a tele with vintage (lower) output pickups. The 'ray has quite a bit of a scooped frequency response, so I turned the mids of the maz down, and turned the high end up. (both treble and cut) Then I made sure to NOT turn the volume (preamp knob) of the maz up too high in order to keep the overdrive to almost nothing. This got REAL close. Most people would never notice the difference. But as a player, there were some very small differences: 1) The maz is NEVER going to get the robust firm punchy bass of the stangray. Not only does the maz not have that kind of punch, it isn't voiced to do so. 2) The maz won't have the dynamic feel of the stangray because the 'ray has that ef86 preamp. It reacts differently than the maz's 12ax7. The flip side of this, is the maz has a cool and musical compression when things start cookin' where the 'ray does not. 3) If you need even the slightest 'edge of breakup', the stangray is difficult to work with. The above comments are not to talk poorly about either amp. They're different amps, both great. But they do different things and sound/feel different. But I WAS able to get the maz to sound close (or as close as possible) to the 'ray, but at lower volume. If you brought 100 non musicians into the room, they would barely (if at all) be able to tell the difference.
EDIT: I believe my maz jr had a 5751 in v1...that will make a difference.
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I also played a gig (modern country) where I had my stangray head on top of my remedy head...and they were both on top of the cabinet. (gotta admit...it looked pretty cool) I would switch back and forth between each amp. As the singer would talk to the audience in between songs, I would put the amp I just used on standby, reach back, remove the speaker cable from the amp, and plug into the other amp, and turn it off standby. This took all of about 10 seconds. And I have to admit, the 'more' mids of the remedy, along with the ability to get edge-of-breakup had me choosing the remedy.
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Post by feifongwong on Feb 5, 2021 14:35:42 GMT -7
I ordered my Stangray with a half-power switch. I usually run it at half-power through a single 12" Celestion Blue. Just amazing! IMHO, the half-power option is where it's at. Sorry for the zombie post. Can you elaborate? I am considering doing this to my Ray to make it easier to use at home. I have a brake lite at full 4 clicks and input into the low jack and the volume set at around 9:00 and it is still very loud at 10:00 at night. A beautiful sound nonetheless, but not always appreciated by the neighbors and my fam. Also changes the way I play in that I feel the need to play softer than normal. Thanks
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Post by redzsrock on Feb 8, 2021 19:59:43 GMT -7
I ordered my Stangray with a half-power switch. I usually run it at half-power through a single 12" Celestion Blue. Just amazing! IMHO, the half-power option is where it's at. Sorry for the zombie post. Can you elaborate? I am considering doing this to my Ray to make it easier to use at home. I have a brake lite at full 4 clicks and input into the low jack and the volume set at around 9:00 and it is still very loud at 10:00 at night. A beautiful sound nonetheless, but not always appreciated by the neighbors and my fam. Also changes the way I play in that I feel the need to play softer than normal. Thanks I run mine at half-power almost exclusively. It just sounds right, feel right. All my Z's have either the 1/2 power switch and/or Z's current MV, and I sold both my Airbrake and Brakelite. I think you'd be very pleased with the 1/2 power mod, from reading your post.
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