timd
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Post by timd on Aug 30, 2020 17:49:28 GMT -7
Longtime lurker, I seldom post as I really just enjoy reading all of the various threads. Anyways... i have a NMV Remedy and have been spending quite a bit of time with it recently either plugged straight in or with a Lovepedal Boost>Fulltone TTE. Such a great amp! I run into into an Airbrake then a Greenback loaded ZBest. What I would like to accomplish is to have less Aerosmith/GnR Marshall and more Dickey Betts. I know that speakers are going to play a large part in this, so I ask: What are your suggestions? If speakers are the answer, I'd rather go with something readily available. If tubes will help as well, same thing.
Speakers and tone are are so subjective, I would hate to fall in another rabbit hole! It may help to include the following info: I really don't care for V30's or g12h30's and I do gig (or hope to resume at some point, lol) and can play at a reasonable volume at home but I do prefer a lower sensitivity.
Let's see what you've got!
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Post by donovantyler on Aug 30, 2020 17:52:39 GMT -7
I have one cab for my remedy that's one by 12 with 65 watt cream back. My other cab that I use with my remedy is a zilla Fatboy 2 x 12 with Neo cream backs. If I open up the master to three o clock or all the way, keeping the normal very low and putting the high no at about 10 or 11 o clock, I can get a good amount of Headroom with a beautiful singing Cleanish tone.
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Post by walt on Aug 30, 2020 18:33:17 GMT -7
les paul,neck pup,thumb,go!
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Post by daddyelmis (Greg) on Aug 30, 2020 18:58:12 GMT -7
My understanding is that Dickey used 50w and 100w Marshall plexi’s, mostly with 4x12s with JBL D120’s in them for a lot of the classic ABB stuff. This ends up with a very British amp going into very American/Fender speakers. I think the D120s may have been 103db speakers - so very efficient and very loud. Since the Remedy is Doc’s “plexi inspired” amp, you might start with speakers and see who’s making a good D120 clone, maybe at sub-100db efficiency so you can push the amp a bit before it gets killer loud.
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Post by Seńor Verde on Aug 30, 2020 20:22:08 GMT -7
I'm not the foremost authority on Dickey Betts or Duane Allam, but I've read some stuff and am an ABB fan. From what I've read Dikey used 100 watt Marshalls with JBL speakers. My guess is, if you use a Remedy with a 1x12 open back laoded cab and D120 speaker or reasonable clone (as daddyelmis says) and play average size or small clubs, you should be in the general tonal range.
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timd
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Post by timd on Aug 31, 2020 5:29:29 GMT -7
Thanks fellas. I was curious if anyone had any actual first hand experience with this. The D120's are quite pricey! I beleive the Weber California and perhaps the Eminence Commonwealth are reasonable copies. Anyone have any experience with these speakers?
I do have an open backed Z 4x10 that gets me in the ballpark, but I use that for my z28. I have two Zbests w/Greenbacks so loading one with a different pair of speakers could be a good thing, for variety you know.
Thanks, Tim
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Post by Rik on Aug 31, 2020 5:39:38 GMT -7
Try the Docs Z-12's very American sounding speaker and I think would hit this tone for you. Very reasonable price also so won't kill the bank
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Post by ME on Aug 31, 2020 5:51:08 GMT -7
I believe the amp willet you where you want to be. I have a MV model and it is really versatile. I also incorporate a BrakeLite all the time. The speaker swap will make a difference. What guitar are you using and what pickups are in it? When I had my R4 (P90’s) it had ABB tone as a default for me. Perhaps a little dark on the neck, but smooth! My current guitar, ‘57 BB triple pickup with ‘57 Classics (so my research indicates) is good at getting a nice smooth with bite when digging in. I tried something I saw Joe B. mention on a u-tube vid, he said he starts out on his ‘59’s (the real ones) by rolling off the tone controls to 5. I tried this and liked it as a place to live unless I want a more top end and bite (definitely early Aerosmith). Good luck on your tone journey. Stay safe.
ME
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timd
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Post by timd on Aug 31, 2020 7:16:58 GMT -7
Try the Docs Z-12's very American sounding speaker and I think would hit this tone for you. Very reasonable price also so won't kill the bank Not a bad idea to start with. I happen to have a Cure, so I can try this out. And you're right about the price, they are very reasonable.
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timd
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Post by timd on Aug 31, 2020 7:19:39 GMT -7
I believe the amp willet you where you want to be. I have a MV model and it is really versatile. I also incorporate a BrakeLite all the time. The speaker swap will make a difference. What guitar are you using and what pickups are in it? When I had my R4 (P90’s) it had ABB tone as a default for me. Perhaps a little dark on the neck, but smooth! My current guitar, ‘57 BB triple pickup with ‘57 Classics (so my research indicates) is good at getting a nice smooth with bite when digging in. I tried something I saw Joe B. mention on a u-tube vid, he said he starts out on his ‘59’s (the real ones) by rolling off the tone controls to 5. I tried this and liked it as a place to live unless I want a more top end and bite (definitely early Aerosmith). Good luck on your tone journey. Stay safe. ME I'm using either a '97 PRS McCarty or a recent LP Classic with P90's and running the ampo through an airbrake. I can definately get close but feel that the greenbacks are holding me back from that clear, singing tone. Now, with the greenies, I can really nail the more biting, aggressives tones no problem. I'm just looking for a little more sweeteness.... The reality is, during this pandemic, I'm bored and mucking around with my amps and such. I'm rehearsing with a band and putting together a solid set but am playing bass...
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Post by rbk84 on Sept 2, 2020 7:24:49 GMT -7
I opened for him a few years back, and I remember his stage volume was reasonably low. His only pedal was a stock TS808 that happened to fail during sound check, so I lent him mine. It seemed like he was using his amp as more of a clean platform, using the 808 for drive and guitar volume to change it.
So I’d imagine a Remedy with a higher wattage speaker than a GB would definitely be close.
Enjoy the search!
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Post by John on Sept 3, 2020 2:53:32 GMT -7
Remedy with greenbacks should be fine.
Don't run the volumes too high (so the amp runs cleaner) and back off the tone control on the guitar.
....and something that hasn't been mentioned: That tone you seek is in your fingers.
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Post by daddyelmis (Greg) on Sept 3, 2020 3:38:00 GMT -7
....and something that hasn't been mentioned: That tone you seek is in your fingers. True - Dickey Betts playing an old Sears electric through a Pignose would still sound like Dickey Betts 😊
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Post by bubs42 on Sept 8, 2020 16:46:07 GMT -7
I opened for him a few years back, and I remember his stage volume was reasonably low. His only pedal was a stock TS808 that happened to fail during sound check, so I lent him mine. It seemed like he was using his amp as more of a clean platform, using the 808 for drive and guitar volume to change it. So I’d imagine a Remedy with a higher wattage speaker than a GB would definitely be close. Enjoy the search! Like RKB said, just a higher wattage, clean speaker will work. Don't chase the D120 Tone, you may spend a lot of money for nothing. I used a Tone Spotter from Eminence in a 1x12 the size of Doc's current 1x12. Open back it was right in the Dickey Betts, Mark Knoffler Vein of things. Good luck with your tone search.
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Post by DRZ on Sept 20, 2020 5:12:57 GMT -7
Guys , check out Peach Guitars new Video featuring the Remedy
Maybe not the great Dickey Betts , but Jimi anyway.
Z
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Post by bubs42 on Nov 14, 2020 17:08:10 GMT -7
Man he is running that Remedy Hot! I still want a Remedy, I've wanted on ever since they came out. I haven't even had the opportunity to play one.
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timd
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Post by timd on Nov 18, 2020 9:03:10 GMT -7
To follow up, I installed a pair of Eminence Commonwealth speakers in one of my Zbest cabs. This greatly enhanced the low end and smoothed out the mids but adds a spiky high end especially with gain/fuzz. It's crispy so to speak.
I'm considering a pair of either g12-65's or G12M-65 Creambacks at this point. I would even consider Alnico and am looking at the Creams.
To add to my original tonal reference, I'd like the Dickey tone as a base and build from there. The amp gets it, it's speakers where I am running into a challenge.
Thoughts?
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timd
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Post by timd on Nov 18, 2020 9:12:57 GMT -7
Just to add, I think I am looking for something with smooth mids and softer highs and to let the amp do the work. I've been listening to demos and watching Youtube Clips and after a while they all start to sound the same.
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