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Post by cinimod8791 on Jun 7, 2020 8:46:56 GMT -7
I am no expert, but I do know that if you put a reverb or delay in the front end of amp that you are going to drive hard the result is usually undesirable. I have more than one amp that does not have an FX loop. How do I use my reverb and delay pedals without it sound like s***?
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Post by daddyelmis (Greg) on Jun 7, 2020 9:11:20 GMT -7
I’ve almost never used the fx loop on the few amps I’ve owned that had them - too much cable hassle. Agree the results can be really bad with those effects in front when you heavily drive the amp.
The trick, of course, is to adjust the reverb and delay down a bunch when driving the amp hard. I don’t use reverb much, but have had multiple delay pedals on the board with one set for cleanish/light drive and the other set for really driving the amp. They each are set very differently, particularly mix and feedback.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2020 10:25:51 GMT -7
I probably wouldn't buy a higher gain amp without a loop these days for this reason--a good loop makes a huge difference. But yeah--without a loop, or if you just prefer not to use one, it's all in the pedal settings, pretty much.
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Post by zpilot on Jun 7, 2020 14:13:10 GMT -7
For exactly the reasons you describe I almost never use reverb with heavily overdriven tones. Then only with a medium room type setting. I use delay in those cases. Usually around 70% mix with 2-3 repeats at 300ms, depending on the room I am in and the band. Sometimes a VERY short doubling delay is the way to go. So short that you can hardly hear it. It just thickens the sound a little. Similar to double tracking in a studio.
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Post by premiumplus (Dave) on Jun 7, 2020 16:29:58 GMT -7
I usually plug straight in too. If you're getting your gain from the amp you just have to be more subtle with the time based effects, more gain = more sensitivity to delay repeats and reverb depth.
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Post by daddyelmis (Greg) on Jun 7, 2020 17:23:10 GMT -7
Like Zpilot, I most often like a doubling delay. I use that a lot more than reverb - I’m a line situation I usually find reverb just muddies things up (the room usually provides enough).
I find I can more easily handle delay in front of the amp.
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Post by cinimod8791 on Jun 8, 2020 10:39:59 GMT -7
I read somewhere that in theory you should be able to use an attenuator that has a line out feature and run it into the power section of clean power amp, but that seems like a lot of work just to get a little reverb or delay. Has anyone ever tried this before and does it work?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2020 10:48:09 GMT -7
I've never seen a delay pedal or reverb pedal or chorus pedal that didn't have a "mix knob".
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Post by zpilot on Jun 9, 2020 6:27:09 GMT -7
I read somewhere that in theory you should be able to use an attenuator that has a line out feature and run it into the power section of clean power amp, but that seems like a lot of work just to get a little reverb or delay. Has anyone ever tried this before and does it work? I have a Fryette PS-2 that does all of that in one self contained unit. It is a very good attenuator that feeds a 50 watt tube amp and has a built in effects loop. All you need is your reverb/delay of choice. It is great for boosting a small amp up to 50 watts or for attenuating a large amp down to bedroom levels. The loop is after the original amp and the attenuator. There are tone controls that allow you to compensate for perceived changes due to volume level.
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Post by daddyelmis (Greg) on Jun 9, 2020 7:04:50 GMT -7
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Post by cinimod8791 on Jun 10, 2020 11:01:43 GMT -7
I've never seen a delay pedal or reverb pedal or chorus pedal that didn't have a "mix knob". Obviously, but if you set your mix at your typical rhythm level and use your guitars volume knob to control your overall volume/gain when you turn up the volume on your guitar, or say for instance hit a clean boost, here comes the distorted loud reverb/delay.
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Post by cinimod8791 on Jun 10, 2020 11:02:43 GMT -7
I read somewhere that in theory you should be able to use an attenuator that has a line out feature and run it into the power section of clean power amp, but that seems like a lot of work just to get a little reverb or delay. Has anyone ever tried this before and does it work? I have a Fryette PS-2 that does all of that in one self contained unit. It is a very good attenuator that feeds a 50 watt tube amp and has a built in effects loop. All you need is your reverb/delay of choice. It is great for boosting a small amp up to 50 watts or for attenuating a large amp down to bedroom levels. The loop is after the original amp and the attenuator. There are tone controls that allow you to compensate for perceived changes due to volume level. This is what I'm looking for!! Thank you!! OMG the price though.....
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Post by daddyelmis (Greg) on Jun 10, 2020 11:09:00 GMT -7
Not to hijack the thread, but Re the power station - probably the best piece of gear I’ve bought. Makes any amp instantly useable at any volume with no change in tone. Loop, direct out, multiple speaker outs at any impedance matching. It is pricey - but they pop up on Reverb from time to time for somewhat lower prices. For what it provides, it’s a long term investment and, IMO, worth it.
And now back to our regular programming…
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2020 13:59:25 GMT -7
I've never seen a delay pedal or reverb pedal or chorus pedal that didn't have a "mix knob". Obviously, but if you set your mix at your typical rhythm level and use your guitars volume knob to control your overall volume/gain when you turn up the volume on your guitar, or say for instance hit a clean boost, here comes the distorted loud reverb/delay. I know I'm new to this as I only got started professionally a little over 40 years ago but somehow I've managed without an effects loop. The Edge doesn't even use one! If you can't find a setting that works for both sounds maybe you need 2 reverbs?
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Post by zpilot on Jun 10, 2020 14:50:34 GMT -7
I have a Fryette PS-2 that does all of that in one self contained unit. It is a very good attenuator that feeds a 50 watt tube amp and has a built in effects loop. All you need is your reverb/delay of choice. It is great for boosting a small amp up to 50 watts or for attenuating a large amp down to bedroom levels. The loop is after the original amp and the attenuator. There are tone controls that allow you to compensate for perceived changes due to volume level. This is what I'm looking for!! Thank you!! OMG the price though..... Yes, I thought it was pretty pricey also. But all of my low wattage amps can now be used anyplace I am likely to play. In the military they would term that a "force multiplier". The loop function, for me, was just a bonus. I don't use it but it works great and is there if I choose to in the future. I still run everything in the front. It is just simpler when changing from amp to amp.
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Post by cinimod8791 on Jun 10, 2020 15:14:16 GMT -7
Obviously, but if you set your mix at your typical rhythm level and use your guitars volume knob to control your overall volume/gain when you turn up the volume on your guitar, or say for instance hit a clean boost, here comes the distorted loud reverb/delay. I know I'm new to this as I only got started professionally a little over 40 years ago but somehow I've managed without an effects loop. The Edge doesn't even use one! If you can't find a setting that works for both sounds maybe you need 2 reverbs? There in lies the rub. I play everything from country, blues, some jazz, rock and in my youth some metal. I tried to solve my reverb delay needs with a Wampler Ethereal, which sounds fantastic in a loop. If I put it in front of the amp and add boost pedals plus the way I use my volume knob it just doesn't cut it. I do have a MIJ DD-3 that I have retired. It's pretty worn but works just like the day I bought it, I really don't want to slap that guy down on my pedal board anymore. I might have to do what you and others have suggested and use an additional pedal for different applications, but what a pain in the rear. That Fryette PS-2 is looking like a great option, too.
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