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Post by Mark (Basement Enthusiast) on Jul 9, 2020 6:46:35 GMT -7
Finding the perfect speaker can be a really slippery task. Sometimes you think you've got the perfect speaker, and it just turns out "blah;" OR you give one a shot not expecting much, and it becomes your new favorite for one or more applications.
A couple of the more surprising gems for me lately have been the Eminence Lil' Texas (not using one right now, but was impressed with its good "American" tone and added benefit of light weight) and the Celestion V-Type (surprisingly smack between the best characteristics of the Greenback and the Gold).
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Post by jhen86 (jordan) on Jul 15, 2020 21:00:22 GMT -7
Well break in has been very kind to the Jupiter. Been playing it and then feeding it with a 60hz tone while I work. Lows and mids are much more open. Highs seem brighter too actually. Strange. I think everything is just less congested and the highs just kind of ring out more. It’s a really nice speaker. Not a Celestion alnico exactly but nice.
The lows are pretty tight but not ceramic tight. Good enough though. Mids are smooth and present but still do the blackface thing. Highs are crystal clear and compress nicely with gain. Really fantastic actually. Never gets too bright.
My Princeton build has a raw switch that bypasses the tonestack for tweedy vibes. Pushed with a boost pedal the speaker holds up really really well. Winner all around.
At 100db it’s quite efficient. Compared to my buddy’s Deluxe with a Weber 12F150, my Princeton stood toe to toe in clean headroom and volume. I’m happy.
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Post by jhen86 (jordan) on Jul 15, 2020 21:02:46 GMT -7
Oh and side note: as much as I want to hate it....The Vintage 30 actually sounds REALLY good with my Princeton. Every time I plug into it (begrudgingly) it seems to always surprise me how well it pairs.
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Post by Mark (Basement Enthusiast) on Jul 16, 2020 6:32:06 GMT -7
Oh and side note: as much as I want to hate it....The Vintage 30 actually sounds REALLY good with my Princeton. Every time I plug into it (begrudgingly) it seems to always surprise me how well it pairs. I would believe this—speakers can be slippery/tricky sometimes. Indeed, when evaluating some speakers just recently, I found that my WGS Veteran 30 (a Vintage 30 clone) presented very much the same response curve/feel to me as their G12C (a Jensen/Fender surrogate). Crazy, right? BTW, your buddy's Deluxe with Weber 12F150 is no joke. That's a great speaker for that amp, and a worthy benchmark to measure against. Lastly, too—for anybody else reading this thread, I can't recall if it's been mentioned or not, but the WGS G12C/S (specifically that "/S" version) would be a great option for tweed + blackface tones. Its smooth-cone design makes it a touch more like the older tweed speakers, but its not fully there (still has a medium ceramic magnet & relatively high power handling). I have both it and the regular G12C in separate blackface-style amps right now and they're both excellent.
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Post by jhen86 (jordan) on Jul 16, 2020 7:45:18 GMT -7
Yup. Speakers are quirky and dangerous. I still have a few on the “must try” list...
Gold Cream Z12 GA-SC64 Content for now though. At least enough to focus on building a combo cab for my Princeton.
Also, my buddy and I did take some to A/B his WGS G10A with the Jupiter 12LA. Both made by wgs to fit the same sonic territory so it was fun. Man I loved the way that 70 watt G10a compresses. Sounds like a perfect Princeton. Mids are punchy, lows tight. All with that alnico goodness. The 12LA just sounded bigger and more open. Literally was like having an authentic Princeton through the 10 and a fantastic Deluxe through the 12. Neither one was bad. I think for now I will stick with a 12” just for flexibility but I could be very happy with that 10.
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Post by detuned on Jul 16, 2020 9:45:54 GMT -7
No affiliation, but if you ever find yourself in the market for speakers again, you might stop by the Scumback thread in the Speakers and Cabs forum and ask Jim. I've found him to be extremely helpful and knowledgable, and not afraid to recommend someone else's product if one of his won't fit your needs.
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Post by jhen86 (jordan) on Jul 16, 2020 20:40:05 GMT -7
Jim is a great dude. If I’m ever in the British speaker market again, it will be for a Scumback.
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Post by digs57 on Aug 16, 2020 16:15:42 GMT -7
I really liked the ramrod " in my ghia...sounded way bigger.
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Post by bigben55 on Aug 26, 2020 12:48:37 GMT -7
Interesting. Ive used the Texas Heat in 2 amps, a Blues Jr and a Peavey Classic 30, and loved it in both. Ive contemplated trying one in my Z28, but figured it would have too much bass and not enough highs. I currently have a Celestion G12H30 70th anniv. Thoughts? +1 for the Texas Heat. I have been swapping speakers the last couple days and I pulled a Texas Heat from an amp I had sitting. I never tried it with anything else and was blown away it and the Z28. It completely changed that amp to something else, but it was equally as killer in a new way. Blues, wonderful cleans, full on the bass but not overbearing at all. It has just a hint of breakup. When you hit the amp with overdrives, its almost like the speaker will not let it oversaturate, you get great note to note detail.
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Post by bubs42 on Aug 27, 2020 10:07:59 GMT -7
Interesting. Ive used the Texas Heat in 2 amps, a Blues Jr and a Peavey Classic 30, and loved it in both. Ive contemplated trying one in my Z28, but figured it would have too much bass and not enough highs. I currently have a Celestion G12H30 70th anniv. Thoughts? +1 for the Texas Heat. I have been swapping speakers the last couple days and I pulled a Texas Heat from an amp I had sitting. I never tried it with anything else and was blown away it and the Z28. It completely changed that amp to something else, but it was equally as killer in a new way. Blues, wonderful cleans, full on the bass but not overbearing at all. It has just a hint of breakup. When you hit the amp with overdrives, its almost like the speaker will not let it oversaturate, you get great note to note detail. I'm letting my phone charge, but let me shoot you a little video later today.
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Post by bubs42 on Aug 27, 2020 11:51:18 GMT -7
Volume at 9o'clock Bass 7o'clock'ish Highs little pass 2o'clock. Just a sample, i'm a hack and know it.
First amp by itself, then I step on the Sexdrive, then the reverb, then the Vanilla Zendrive. Fendery Clean to Dumbley Gain. The Vanilla Zen is a treasure, too me its what the Zendrive should have been, more open and amp like rather than dark and a one trick pony. That depends on the amp as well. The Amp is not attenuated, the pickups are Dimarzio Area Hot Set.
I do usually use a Brake Lite, but I wanted you to hear it without attenuation. I may order the Lil Texas this week and try it out.
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Post by mrcapers on Aug 27, 2020 16:52:11 GMT -7
Finding the perfect speaker can be a really slippery task. Sometimes you think you've got the perfect speaker, and it just turns out "blah;" OR you give one a shot not expecting much, and it becomes your new favorite for one or more applications. A couple of the more surprising gems for me lately have been the Eminence Lil' Texas (not using one right now, but was impressed with its good "American" tone and added benefit of light weight) and the Celestion V-Type (surprisingly smack between the best characteristics of the Greenback and the Gold). Funny you should mention the V-type. I have 18 speakers in my garage right now. That doesn't count the ones in my amps. I spent a great deal of time looking for the perfect British speaker, spending $100s on Alnico, ceramic and even neo, only to discover the V-type. A very under rated speaker!
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Post by bubs42 on Aug 27, 2020 17:53:35 GMT -7
Finding the perfect speaker can be a really slippery task. Sometimes you think you've got the perfect speaker, and it just turns out "blah;" OR you give one a shot not expecting much, and it becomes your new favorite for one or more applications. A couple of the more surprising gems for me lately have been the Eminence Lil' Texas (not using one right now, but was impressed with its good "American" tone and added benefit of light weight) and the Celestion V-Type (surprisingly smack between the best characteristics of the Greenback and the Gold). Funny you should mention the V-type. I have 18 speakers in my garage right now. That doesn't count the ones in my amps. I spent a great deal of time looking for the perfect British speaker, spending $100s on Alnico, ceramic and even neo, only to discover the V-type. A very under rated speaker! You just need to keep a few jems handy. It’s cheaper to swap a speaker than buy a new amp.
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Post by jhen86 (jordan) on May 18, 2021 16:08:40 GMT -7
Reviving this....If anyone has a spare Z12 speaker lying around (8 ohm), I'd be interested in taking it off your hands. I started a thread in BST section to that end. I checked with Sheree too, but supply is tight now and they no spares to sell. I would love to give Doc the business, so maybe I will just hold off until fall and see then. I just got the itch to try something ceramic. I know the GA-SC64 is an all around winner, I just have hunch it may be too honky. With the slightly warmer and more mid forward Princeton (comparatively in the blackface line) I am hoping the very close but less middy and slightly brighter Z12 may be just PERFECT. And for the record, the Princeton is so great with the Jupiter 12LA. I'm not dissatisfied at all. It's more so a personal problem that I'm sure you all can relate to.
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Post by jhen86 (jordan) on May 26, 2021 10:45:52 GMT -7
Got a used Z12 from buckeye and just loaded it in. Really like it. Feels like a great modern blackface tone in the Princeton. Not overly scoopy or vintagey but still true to the vibe. Fat, full, and balanced, with a great feel too.
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