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Post by fingersmcginty on Apr 22, 2020 7:45:17 GMT -7
It seems fine when fretted but it's definitely muted when i play it open. The rest of the strings ring fine unfretted. Just the hight E is the problem It's a nash T-63. Is there anything i can try to help remedy the problem as there are no techs operating currently.
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Post by fingersmcginty on Apr 22, 2020 8:00:46 GMT -7
My T-52 in comparison has no issues. The relief on both guitars at 7th fret (capo'd at 1st with string held down at 17th fret = 0.3mm Here are some other measurements .... T-63 1st fret height high E 0.1 mm T-63 1st fret height low E 0.3mm
T-52 1st fret height high E 0.2 mm T-52 1st fret height high E 0.4 mm
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Post by KeithA on Apr 22, 2020 8:34:41 GMT -7
It seems fine when fretted but it's definitely muted when i play it open. The rest of the strings ring fine unfretted. Just the hight E is the problem It's a nash T-63. Is there anything i can try to help remedy the problem as there are no techs operating currently. Hmmm, what if you tryplaying the string fretted, say at the 12th fret, to see if it rings fine. If it does, then, go down the neck one fret at a time to see if it rings out each time (all the way down to the 1st fret). If it does, and still sounds dead when played open, I'd say the nut is the problem.
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Post by fingersmcginty on Apr 22, 2020 8:48:34 GMT -7
Rings fine all the way from the 12th down but as soon as it's open it's muted
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Post by Chilly Gibbons (Todd T.) on Apr 22, 2020 9:16:44 GMT -7
It’s either the nut or the saddle. Take the string out of both and clean the slots.
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Post by digs57 on Apr 22, 2020 10:46:16 GMT -7
piece of paper through nut should clean it thoroughly.
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Post by fingersmcginty on Apr 22, 2020 12:02:13 GMT -7
OK ....I'll try that and report back
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Post by fingersmcginty on Apr 22, 2020 14:37:04 GMT -7
Cleaned up the slot but still muted.
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Post by ksquared on Apr 22, 2020 14:51:45 GMT -7
The nut slot might be worn, or cut for a thicker gauge string. When the world repoens, a tech could build it up, or just make a new nut.
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Post by digs57 on Apr 22, 2020 15:03:59 GMT -7
When you fret the "third fret/first string" is there slight bit of space under string first fret?...all should have that slight space but...tighten string tree?...sometime bridges on teles need some tuning as well well as intonation...push saddles always forward so tight to bridge/ashtraybox?.
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Post by fingersmcginty on Apr 23, 2020 1:14:32 GMT -7
When i capo third fret there is no space whatsoever under the 1st fret. Then again my T52 is the same but plays fine.
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Post by digs57 on Apr 23, 2020 5:20:10 GMT -7
When i capo third fret there is no space whatsoever under the 1st fret. Then again my T52 is the same but plays fine. This technically is not what you want...if it works kool...read on it a little fwiw.
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Post by Rhythmark on Apr 23, 2020 8:45:02 GMT -7
loosen the truss rod just 1/8 . Sounds like the neck it too tight
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Post by Rhythmark on Apr 23, 2020 8:49:27 GMT -7
You can also try to put a thin piece of cardboard More like thick paper. Make a little piece you can bend into the nut slot to lift the string Then youll know if your nut slot is too low.
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Post by fingersmcginty on Apr 23, 2020 13:09:06 GMT -7
loosen the truss rod just 1/8 . Sounds like the neck it too tight Doesn't placing a capo on the 3rd fret rule out the truss rod?
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Post by Rhythmark on Apr 23, 2020 16:22:26 GMT -7
If you have another guitar pluck the high e and pull back on the headstock, gently . You will hear your string buzz then mute out. You can roughly check your neck bow by Capo 3rd. Hold down on 15th fret And look at the middle point between the two. There should be a small gap between the string and middle frets. If the string is on the middle frets you need to loosen the truss rod. In minor increments. Hope this makes sense
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Post by Norrin Radd on Apr 24, 2020 3:23:59 GMT -7
loosen the truss rod just 1/8 . Sounds like the neck it too tight Doesn't placing a capo on the 3rd fret rule out the truss rod? Yes! This sounds absolutely like a traditional nut issue. Either it’s too worn or not cut properly. If it’s got mileage, I’d bet it’s cut too low or too flat. Nuts should always be slotted at an angle towards the tuners. Over time, that angle can flatten and cause the exact issue you are experiencing. That’s not the only possible cause, but the most likely if it’s had lots of use.
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Post by gbowman on Apr 24, 2020 8:13:34 GMT -7
This may be a real long shot, but I have had a similar experience after wiping my strings down with a cloth. It turned out that a very small bit of fabric had wound around the top string at the nut. It was acting like a damper. When fretting notes, it didn't sound. It didn't take much material to cause the issue.
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Post by Rhythmark on Apr 24, 2020 10:21:11 GMT -7
Placing a capo at the 3rd fret on its own Does not show Neck bow. Thats showing nut height.
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Post by fingersmcginty on Apr 25, 2020 8:33:31 GMT -7
Ok thanks for all the replies. I will bring it to a tech to get the nut replaced when the madness ends.
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Post by zpilot on Apr 25, 2020 15:30:08 GMT -7
When I cut a nut for the 1st string here is what I measure. I press the string down between the 2nd and 3rd fret with one hand. Then with the other I press the string between the nut and first fret watching how much it moves before actually touching the first fret. It should be about .004". I eyeball that because it is difficult to measure with a feeler gauge without deflecting the string and getting an erroneous measurement. It is easy to eyeball because that is about half the thickness of the string. I use the same method for the other strings but progressively increase the clearance, depending on the player's touch. It's OK to err a little on the high side but not low. And as Norrin Radd has noted the slot must be ramped down slightly behind the front edge of the nut. I cut the slots on an arch as opposed to a bevel because it lasts longer.
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Post by John on Apr 26, 2020 4:27:27 GMT -7
Sounds like a nut issue....the cut, the angle...possibly word down (so the angle is now NOT what is should be)....all the above.
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Post by John on Apr 26, 2020 4:29:16 GMT -7
The nut slot might be worn, or cut for a thicker gauge string. When the world repoens, a tech could build it up, or just make a new nut. This
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