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Post by runninwiththerevil (Matthew) on Feb 11, 2020 17:15:14 GMT -7
I love my Suhr and the craftsmanship that went into it. The few others I've played have also been tremendous. I saw this guy in an ad and thought the owner wanted a heavier relic and got a little happy after a few bourbons one night. But then I saw another listing with a New heavy relic Suhr that had a similarly unnatural relic. Anyone else think this is way over done? Anyone else love it and can help me see what I'm missing?
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Post by Chilly Gibbons (Todd T.) on Feb 11, 2020 17:18:43 GMT -7
Doesn’t remind me of a well loved, well worn tele.
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Post by purpletele on Feb 11, 2020 17:31:42 GMT -7
That is not inspiring to me.
That doesn't look like Suhr Work
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Post by Mark (Basement Enthusiast) on Feb 11, 2020 17:36:15 GMT -7
No way would that bare/exposed wood be so "clean" and not all muddied up with dirt & dust in all its tiny pores. I think the good relic jobs look legitimately old/used, and this doesn't.
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Post by runninwiththerevil (Matthew) on Feb 11, 2020 18:15:21 GMT -7
That is not inspiring to me. That doesn't look like Suhr Work I didn't think so either, but this is the second one I found. The first one is stateside the other in Germany. I can't believe Suhr would do this, but are there two people in the world that would do this and then think they are selling it for $3-3.5k?
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Post by "Z" Steve on Feb 11, 2020 18:33:55 GMT -7
If guitars have stories to tell I'd love to hear this ones.
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Post by j4gitr (John) on Feb 12, 2020 0:03:05 GMT -7
I’m not big on the whole relic thing. It just seems disingenuous. When it comes about naturally as opposed to intentional measures, the guitar lets you know. My LP Deluxe I bought used in ‘70 hadn’t been out of the case in years. I pulled it out; strings were clean, so I tuned it, strummed a chord, and it sang, “I’m baaack.” Then I plugged it in. Those minis were just so sweet sounding. Buckle rash, crazed finish, tarnished tail piece all brought back memories. One of these days it’s going to a gig or a jam with me.
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Post by KeithA on Feb 12, 2020 2:07:19 GMT -7
I really don't get it and it's good timing as the guitar below showed up in my Instagram feed yesterday. This is a Fender CS from NAMM 2020 selling for $6,300 (US$4,700) Canadian up here. Now, it's dirtier than the Suhr but I really don't get it either.
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Post by Chilly Gibbons (Todd T.) on Feb 12, 2020 2:58:36 GMT -7
I’m with ya Keith, way too much on that one.
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Post by daddyelmis (Greg) on Feb 12, 2020 4:21:59 GMT -7
I don’t get it, and I don’t get how any guitar gets that kind of damage in the real world. Several of my guitars are from the 70’s, 80’s, and 90’s (bought by me then and used since). They traveled back and forth across the country, been moved a dozen times, played gigs from south Florida to the Rockies, inside and outside, biker bars to corporate golf events. And none of them show anything like what any “relic’d” guitar looks like.
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Post by John on Feb 12, 2020 4:55:18 GMT -7
I've ranted about this on the forum before. You have people who were young in the 70's...now they're in their prime wage earning years. (or at least hopefully save a few $$) And they're looking to buy (and can afford) the guitars their heroes played back in the day. Plus they want 'instant street cred'. So when/if the pretty young lady 1/2 his age (or even less) just happens to see such a beat up guitar, he can tell her: Yeah little lady, before I was Mid-West Corporate Vice-President, I was a rebel, perhaps even a little dangerous. I've played rock and roll in thousands of dive bars. I'm cool. I'm not a personality-devoid corporate drone.
You can remove 'relic guitar'...and insert "Harley Davidson". ...same idea.
-------------------------------- $4700 for a beat up tele is just nonsense. But we're at the tail end of an incredible economic run. There's a bubble of 'disposable income' out there. It will dry up when the next economic downturn hits. But for now, hey let's ask $4700 for a beat up tele. Let's see if anyone bites.
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Post by runninwiththerevil (Matthew) on Feb 12, 2020 5:38:24 GMT -7
What I like about the relic thing is the ability to have the feel of a played in guitar. I finally had the opportunity to get MJT relic Tele. I felt like that was over done once I had it in my hands because there was wear that would never have come about as the actual use of a guitar. I moved that on because as great as the widerange Lollars sounded every position sounded almost identical.
These new type of heavy relic remind me exactly of a youth pastor/praise band guy who thought he would relic his own First Act tele. He used a belt sander and it looked ridiculous. Maybe he was ahead of his time??? John, I think you're right on. There are some folks with big bucks they are going after. No kid who doesn't know better has $3-5K for this stupidity. These smell of they had a flaw that would have had them getting tossed 5 years ago, so they don't have anything but their respect to loose on throwing a big price tag on it after they destroy the flaws.
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Post by runninwiththerevil (Matthew) on Feb 12, 2020 5:40:58 GMT -7
I really don't get it and it's good timing as the guitar below showed up in my Instagram feed yesterday. This is a Fender CS from NAMM 2020 selling for $6,300 (US$4,700) Canadian up here. Now, it's dirtier than the Suhr but I really don't get it either. This one at least looks like "I got an old refin' and started to take off the finish and gave up". I agree it looks dumb, but at least that actually happens with some guitars. These others ones are what, "well this one time when I fell asleep belt sanding next to my guitar, and opps..."
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Post by John on Feb 12, 2020 6:16:17 GMT -7
"well this one time when I fell asleep belt sanding next to my guitar, and opps..."
I smell country song lyrics!!!
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Post by KeithA on Feb 12, 2020 6:23:35 GMT -7
"well this one time when I fell asleep belt sanding next to my guitar, and opps..."
I smell country song lyrics!!!
Belt Sander Boogie
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Post by runninwiththerevil (Matthew) on Feb 12, 2020 6:56:30 GMT -7
I smell country song lyrics!!!
Belt Sander Boogie I'm starting to hear it. The "opps..." needs to be prolonged with some slide and/or a long drawn out note from the fiddle. It can lead into a chorus that laments wanting to make it big in music but now I'm just a rich white guy with a really expensive 7th grade shop class guitar. I made a mini, BC Rich style, fake guitar in 7th grade shop class. I think I can channel some of that.
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Post by John on Feb 12, 2020 7:24:44 GMT -7
I was asleep, dreamin' of things afar... When my belt sander fell on my guitar....
Sometimes the songs write themselves.
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Post by nicholas on Feb 12, 2020 7:59:12 GMT -7
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Post by daddyelmis (Greg) on Feb 12, 2020 8:40:38 GMT -7
“Just wear for a few gigs” indeed. Don’t worry about fretting the strings or holding a pick.
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Post by runninwiththerevil (Matthew) on Feb 12, 2020 9:10:56 GMT -7
What gauge strings would you recommend with this method? Also, I believe the same caution that is needed for those eating HOT chicken wings for the first time would be in order: "Be careful when you use that bathroom."
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Post by KeithA on Feb 12, 2020 9:58:44 GMT -7
I should be embarrassed to say I was a victim of this one time when eating Insanity Hot Wings at a local restaurant. That one hurt.
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Post by rickyp on Feb 12, 2020 11:00:29 GMT -7
I love my Suhr and the craftsmanship that went into it. The few others I've played have also been tremendous. I saw this guy in an ad and thought the owner wanted a heavier relic and got a little happy after a few bourbons one night. But then I saw another listing with a New heavy relic Suhr that had a similarly unnatural relic. Anyone else think this is way over done? Anyone else love it and can help me see what I'm missing? Reminds me of some of the Nash relic guitars. Some of them are fantastic, others are way off. For example:
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Post by runninwiththerevil (Matthew) on Feb 12, 2020 12:09:30 GMT -7
I should be embarrassed to say I was a victim of this one time when eating Insanity Hot Wings at a local restaurant. That one hurt. You don't gain such pearls of wisdom from reading books. Hot wing night has more Peter Tingle than the latest Spider-man movie. (I know that to be true because I have a 10 yr boy who got that joke 1/2 through the movie).
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Post by helmi on Feb 12, 2020 17:07:50 GMT -7
Speechless! ( and not in a good way) wasn't it W.C. fields who said "there's a sucker born every minute"!
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Post by daddyelmis (Greg) on Feb 12, 2020 19:12:23 GMT -7
P.T. Barnum the original king of the salesmen.
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Post by Jefferson on Feb 13, 2020 11:16:15 GMT -7
sheeesh! keep the 10 year olds away from the dremel tools!
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Post by premiumplus (Dave) on Feb 13, 2020 17:59:36 GMT -7
I really don't like relic'd guitars. The only reason I've got a "Journeyman" CS Strat is that the thing outplays any other Strat I've played. The back of the neck is where the really heavy relicing is, the body just has good proper finish checking. It looks real, not contrived.
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Post by KeithA on Feb 13, 2020 19:55:52 GMT -7
Well, this thread got me looking at Teles and I stumbled across this one online. My local dealer doesn't have one but numerous of their other stores across the Country do. I think I'll cave tomorrow and get one brought in. The last thing I need is another guitar. Fender American Professional Limited Edition, Translucent Mary kay-type blonde, roasted maple neck, '51 Nocaster-type pups, Deep-C neck....and not relic'd
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Post by John on Feb 14, 2020 8:37:27 GMT -7
keep the 10 year olds away from the dremel tools!
...words to live by! ha ha
As for the $4700 tele...I also think there's a game to be played where they can ask such outrageous prices...but the intent is not to sell those guitars...but the ones just a little less expensive. Putting $4700 tag on such a tele is designed to raise the bar of what someone should pay. So the real goal may be to sell a lot of $3000 teles. So the customer feels like they're being frugal and ONLY spending $3000 on a tele...because there are others out there for such higher prices. In their eyes, they're not being foolish with their money.
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Post by runninwiththerevil (Matthew) on Feb 14, 2020 9:41:26 GMT -7
keep the 10 year olds away from the dremel tools!
...words to live by! ha ha
As for the $4700 tele...I also think there's a game to be played where they can ask such outrageous prices...but the intent is not to sell those guitars...but the ones just a little less expensive. Putting $4700 tag on such a tele is designed to raise the bar of what someone should pay. So the real goal may be to sell a lot of $3000 teles. So the customer feels like they're being frugal and ONLY spending $3000 on a tele...because there are others out there for such higher prices. In their eyes, they're not being foolish with their money.
I think there is a similar game with the Suhrs. The not so subtle difference would be I can't imagine they sit down and grab a perectly painted body in the morning and say "let's totally wreck this thing today"! It's got to be that you end up with body finish flaws and they were headed to the dumpster, but with a bunch of hacking they stick a multi thousand dollar price tag on what used to be trash. Probably something similar going on with the CS. In both cases the starting product is probably on a higher level than what is going out with a normal Fender line. But maybe even that is some snake oil. I've been looking really hard at my Suhr the last few days. I would really like something that has single coil and humbucker, I just don't love buckers enough to have two in one ax. This I can say for sure, their baseline on non antiqued guitars is great. I love the neck and the contours. My best option is likely going to be a pickup swap. All that to say, it's extra painful to see these things hacked up. Somebody bought them the first time around (the ones I posted are used), maybe someone will the second time. Not me.
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