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Post by lowbudget on Jan 2, 2020 9:26:49 GMT -7
I'm trying to set up my 2nd Ghia 1x10 combo with a lower efficiency Alnico speaker that will retain as much as possible of the chime that my 1x10 Red Fang Ghia has, only a lot quieter. While it's a great speaker, I don't think a Gold will get the volume down quite enough. A Greenback would be great except for the relative lack of chime and top end sparkle that comes with a ceramic.
So it looks like it pretty much comes down to these:
Weber Blue Pup
Weber Silver Ten
Eminence Legend 1028K
Tone Tubby Alnico Red
WGS G10A
Any thoughts on these or other possibilities would be appreciated.
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Post by digs57 on Jan 2, 2020 12:26:43 GMT -7
I have always wondered about the webers myself...had a wgs g10a for a spell but was looking for more sparkle...had punch and grunt but not so much chime...went to a celestion 10 and was missing the headroom...but did it sound good!
Then I tried ramrod...I know not low power but I preferred it over wgs...lower watt greenberet,ect...never tried et-10.After all said and done Gold wins the day for my needs.
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Post by Mark (Basement Enthusiast) on Jan 2, 2020 12:41:30 GMT -7
I tried a 10" Silver Bell at some point, while testing many 10" speakers against each other. I do recall it being light in the lows, slanted more towards the highs, and not terribly loud/sensitive (which I think you want, in this case). Seemed a little "off balance" in that it was more highs than lows, but I figured maybe that's it's thing(?); in any case it sounded like a 10" not a 12" speaker if that makes sense.
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Post by lowbudget on Jan 2, 2020 17:48:52 GMT -7
Maybe I’m overthinking the Greenback 10” thing a bit. It sure seems popular with the Ghia folks.
Does it have anything at all going on in the top end with a Ghia-any chime, sparkle, presence or shimmer at all? I was only making an assumption in my first post; I’ve never actually heard one.
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Post by runninwiththerevil (Matthew) on Jan 2, 2020 19:03:21 GMT -7
If you like the character of the Alnico, would you try a ZBreak to tame the db’s some? I have a MojoTone Greenback and it comes close to the highs of my Alnico (much more than my G12H), but I would short of saying it is has chime.
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Post by lowbudget on Jan 2, 2020 20:21:39 GMT -7
If you like the character of the Alnico, would you try a ZBreak to tame the db’s some? I have a MojoTone Greenback and it comes close to the highs of my Alnico (much more than my G12H), but I would short of saying it is has chime. Are you talking about taming down the RF combo? If so, I’ve thought about it but it already weighs a kiloton for a 1x10 and I’d rather not add even another pound. And I hate to mess with how it sounds. It’s glorious! Plus, I already have the second Ghia so there’s that.
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Post by j4gitr (John) on Jan 3, 2020 2:33:31 GMT -7
FWIW, I recently converted my Ghia head to a 1x10 combo using the gold. I am thrilled with the result..plenty of chime. It does not appear to me to be as loud as the Ghia head was with a WGS Blackhawk in a Z 1x12. I’m so pleased I’m considering another Gold to partner with a Z-10 in my Z 2x10 convertible cabinet. I’ve never heard or played the Red Fang, so I have no basis to offer a comparison.
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Post by runninwiththerevil (Matthew) on Jan 3, 2020 6:20:29 GMT -7
I recently got a 12’” Alnico from hempopotimus. I think there thing is rebuilding/refurbishing speakers. The one I got is a rebuilt copy of the blue/silver bells that came in the early 60’s Vox AC amps. I don’t know if they do custom stuff or tweak speaker set ups, but they really seemed to know their stuff. Since you know what you want it would probably be worth a conversation to see if the have it or could make it. hempopotamusloudspeakers.com/
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Post by meanslide on Jan 3, 2020 11:17:20 GMT -7
I had the RF and the TT at the same time in two different Z 1x10 cabs. Not much difference between them so that is probably NOT a good choice. A BL on 1 or 2 clicks would get you there, even with the RF.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2020 12:32:31 GMT -7
I borrowed Surreal McCoy's Ghia w the Greenback 10" and it sounded great to me.
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Post by lowbudget on Jan 3, 2020 13:11:01 GMT -7
I borrowed Surreal McCoy's Ghia w the Greenback 10" and it sounded great to me. Maybe I should give this a try. They're quiet and cheap, how wrong could I go? Just for the heck of it I just tried this Ghia with a 12" Emi Tonker, which of course is a big ol' ceramic magnet speaker and I got chime! And I have 3 Maz 18s with chime for days and they all are running ceramics. So maybe it's more about the topography than the Alnico magnet, I don't know. The high frequencies are the first to go in age related hearing loss, but even with my new hearing aids I still like a lot of top end in my sound. Clarity, chime, sparkle, shimmer, you name it-the things we thought were ice-picky years ago I now can't get enough of.
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Post by lowbudget on Jan 3, 2020 13:15:10 GMT -7
I had the RF and the TT at the same time in two different Z 1x10 cabs. Not much difference between them so that is probably NOT a good choice. A BL on 1 or 2 clicks would get you there, even with the RF. Meanslide, was it the TT Alnico Red? I thought that was supposed to be about a 95db speaker. Given the RF is 102.2db I would have expected a pretty big difference.
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Post by jhen86 (jordan) on Jan 5, 2020 16:57:06 GMT -7
I really like the 12” Creamback with my Z’s Much more than the greenback. I know others have commented how similar it is to an Alnico Gold. Ive sort of felt that with the G12ms well. Fills similar territory as the alnico speakers but with ceramic voice. I’d maybe look at the new 10” creamback.
96db. 1db louder than the 10” greenback.
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Post by meanslide on Jan 6, 2020 5:26:29 GMT -7
I had the RF and the TT at the same time in two different Z 1x10 cabs. Not much difference between them so that is probably NOT a good choice. A BL on 1 or 2 clicks would get you there, even with the RF. Meanslide, was it the TT Alnico Red? I thought that was supposed to be about a 95db speaker. Given the RF is 102.2db I would have expected a pretty big difference. Yep, TT was the alnico red. Didn’t check the specs but side by side, they were soooo close. Slight mid bump in volume on the RF. Edit - Just checked the TT website, shows the alnico 10 @ 100 dB.
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Post by lowbudget on Jan 6, 2020 6:43:26 GMT -7
Meanslide, I appreciate your follow up. I just checked the TT website again and I still can find no mention of efficiency anywhere. Maybe it’s an iPad thing. But I had seen several mentions on ztalk of the 95db figure and figured those folks had contacted tech support.
You’ve saved me some hassle.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2020 17:16:09 GMT -7
I’ve been running the Weber Blue/Silver combo in a 2x10 configuration with my Ghia for a few years now. Sounds great, and is certainly less loud than other configurations I’ve had in the past. Those speakers are light, too- the cab weighs ~25lbs. I really like the way it sounds.
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Post by lowbudget on Jan 6, 2020 20:14:19 GMT -7
I’ve been running the Weber Blue/Silver combo in a 2x10 configuration with my Ghia for a few years now. Sounds great, and is certainly less loud than other configurations I’ve had in the past. Those speakers are light, too- the cab weighs ~25lbs. I really like the way it sounds. What cab is it Adam?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2020 12:07:47 GMT -7
I’ve been running the Weber Blue/Silver combo in a 2x10 configuration with my Ghia for a few years now. Sounds great, and is certainly less loud than other configurations I’ve had in the past. Those speakers are light, too- the cab weighs ~25lbs. I really like the way it sounds. What cab is it Adam? I had JDesigns Cabinets make me a lightweight pine 2x10.
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Post by s360guitarist on Jan 11, 2020 7:12:51 GMT -7
The lightest Celestion with the least sensitvity is the G10N-40. To my ears it is a Greenback with more chime. I have a/b'd it with a G10 Gold (but not with a Dr. Z amp. To my ears it lost a little girth compared to the Gold. (Not something I heard per se, but more that it could be felt if that makes any sense.) The g10n is 70 bucks new and weighs 3.5lbs with a 95db rating. celestion.com/product/32/g10n40/
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Post by lowbudget on Jan 11, 2020 8:03:44 GMT -7
Hey thanks s360. That one had not been on my radar.
I’ll look into it.
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Post by Mark (Basement Enthusiast) on Jan 11, 2020 8:50:51 GMT -7
The lightest Celestion with the least sensitvity is the G10N-40. To my ears it is a Greenback with more chime. I have a/b'd it with a G10 Gold (but not with a Dr. Z amp. To my ears it lost a little girth compared to the Gold. (Not something I heard per se, but more that it could be felt if that makes any sense.) The g10n is 70 bucks new and weighs 3.5lbs with a 95db rating. celestion.com/product/32/g10n40/Good point, 360. On "that other" forum, an employee of Celestion has stated that the G10N-40 was developed as an OEM custom-design, intended to be a slightly more chimey version of the of the G10 Greenback. Your ears did not deceive you!
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Post by lowbudget on Jan 11, 2020 9:34:07 GMT -7
The lightest Celestion with the least sensitvity is the G10N-40. To my ears it is a Greenback with more chime. I have a/b'd it with a G10 Gold (but not with a Dr. Z amp. To my ears it lost a little girth compared to the Gold. (Not something I heard per se, but more that it could be felt if that makes any sense.) The g10n is 70 bucks new and weighs 3.5lbs with a 95db rating. celestion.com/product/32/g10n40/Good point, 360. On "that other" forum, an employee of Celestion has stated that the G10N-40 was developed as an OEM custom-design, intended to be a slightly more chimey version of the of the G10 Greenback. Your ears did not deceive you! I read that too Mark. This is encouraging! i believe it’s gonna come down to this or the Emi GA10-SC59. And this one is rated a lower db which is a big plus.
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