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Post by runninwiththerevil (Matthew) on Dec 12, 2019 12:07:01 GMT -7
Curious about options in running two amps. My pedal board is pretty well set (especially with my delay and reverb), so I’m looking to add a pedal at the end of the chain. I could add something by Tonebone, which would give me an additional boost, and let me switch or run both. I could also do something like a looper. I’ve never utilized super complicated pedals and have moved on from any delay I ever had with more than two switches. I did have fun with loops for a while, but wouldn’t likely use loops live. What I’m curious about is there any advantage to running out from a stereo pedal that isn’t delay or modulation based? Is a stereo looper doing anything different than a switcher that will let you rock both amps? Thanks.
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Post by LT on Dec 12, 2019 14:33:06 GMT -7
If I ever did run a dual amp setup it would be a wet/dry rig. Other wise it would be switched clean/OD. The only ones to know you'd be running stereo would be yourself and some of the musicians on stage.....so FWIW my vote would be no on stereo.....although standing in front of a stereo rig is pretty cool (for yourself).
Let us know what direction you decide to go and what gear you use for the split.
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Post by daddyelmis (Greg) on Dec 12, 2019 15:44:51 GMT -7
I do switched - clean and OD. If I’m feeling particularly frisky I’ll do 3 amps , clean and 2 types of dirty (a Z28 and a Therapy running EL34s). I use a Lehle 1@3 to switch.
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Post by runninwiththerevil (Matthew) on Dec 12, 2019 18:46:59 GMT -7
I do switched - clean and OD. If I’m feeling particularly frisky I’ll do 3 amps , clean and 2 types of dirty (a Z28 and a Therapy running EL34s). I use a Lehle 1@3 to switch. I bet that sounds great. I suspected that some of the Lehle and Radial stuff are set up as stout as they are to address some issues. I found this article helpful in explaining some of that. Currently I use a preamp as an always on to clean up some hum in my board. Sounds like a quality ABY will help with this too. Premier Guitar Amp Stacking Article
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Post by Rockerfeller on Dec 12, 2019 20:40:30 GMT -7
A Wreck and a DB4 in stereo sounds pretty damn good. But it's overkill for most gigs except concert in the park type things or big venues. It's pretty loud.
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Post by runninwiththerevil (Matthew) on Dec 12, 2019 20:58:20 GMT -7
A Wreck and a DB4 in stereo sounds pretty damn good. But it's overkill for most gigs except concert in the park type things or big venues. It's pretty loud. I'm looking at a Maz 18 and a Swart 5w. I have been planning on moving the Swart on, but I don't have much into it and it's light. It's actually pretty versatile with the hi-lo input and a gain switch. I think it will be more full without a ton of extra volume. Dang, I would love to jump in between your set up.
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Post by runninwiththerevil (Matthew) on Dec 12, 2019 21:06:22 GMT -7
If I ever did run a dual amp setup it would be a wet/dry rig. Other wise it would be switched clean/OD. The only ones to know you'd be running stereo would be yourself and some of the musicians on stage.....so FWIW my vote would be no on stereo.....although standing in front of a stereo rig is pretty cool (for yourself). Let us know what direction you decide to go and what gear you use for the split. I looked at a bunch of different stuff. I was leaning toward a Radial Switchbone, but I wasn't crazy about the size and it would have required a wall wart. I just ordered a EQD Swiss Thing. I'm pretty excited, it was more than I was thinking of spending, but it will do some cool stuff. In addition to the ABY it has a built in boost (I'm realizing that with my Maz I really only need a boost for my OD) AND it has two effect loops. This will really help when I'm doing stuff for worship that has a couple delays and reverb and want to cut them all at once. It also has a volume pedal jack, and a tuner out. I'll be having some fun when I'm off at Christmas!
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Post by DeanG on Dec 12, 2019 22:52:31 GMT -7
A stereo rig the last pedal needs to have a ground lift for one channel or transformer isolation to prevent a ground loop. Without isolation last stereo pedal will have a common ground for both channels. A cheap isolation, Behringer MicroHD HD400 Ultra-Compact 2-Channel Hum Destroyer. A passive device and can be inserted when necessary. Another solution, can create a wet/dry rig. www.thegigrig.com/humdinger--- Edited to include pic. Initially had the Behringer in place for a as needed ground lift, but it has weld transparent results, so I made it a fixture on the board. Pictured top left.
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Post by daddyelmis (Greg) on Dec 13, 2019 5:20:29 GMT -7
I do switched - clean and OD. If I’m feeling particularly frisky I’ll do 3 amps , clean and 2 types of dirty (a Z28 and a Therapy running EL34s). I use a Lehle 1@3 to switch. I bet that sounds great. I suspected that some of the Lehle and Radial stuff are set up as stout as they are to address some issues. I found this article helpful in explaining some of that. Currently I use a preamp as an always on to clean up some hum in my board. Sounds like a quality ABY will help with this too. Premier Guitar Amp Stacking ArticleThe Lehle is indeed bulletproof. I’ve had this one for over 10 years with no problems. The footswitches are mechanically separated from the actual switching electronics so you can literally jump up and down on the switch and not break anything (perhaps this was designed with Neil Young in mind 😁). And it’s all dead quiet. The only downside is that it’s a big pedal - but I don’t know how you’d put 3 switches and LEDs in less space.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2019 7:49:26 GMT -7
I think if I was doing it I'd either run two of the same amp (or two similar amps that blend well) in stereo or I'd run a clean/dirty rig with something Fender-y and something Marshall-y.
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Post by runninwiththerevil (Matthew) on Dec 14, 2019 13:40:18 GMT -7
A stereo rig the last pedal needs to have a ground lift for one channel or transformer isolation to prevent a ground loop. Without isolation last stereo pedal will have a common ground for both channels. A cheap isolation, Behringer MicroHD HD400 Ultra-Compact 2-Channel Hum Destroyer. A passive device and can be inserted when necessary. Another solution, can create a wet/dry rig. www.thegigrig.com/humdinger--- Edited to include pic. Initially had the Behringer in place for a as needed ground lift, but it has weld transparent results, so I made it a fixture on the board. Pictured top left. Dean, nice board. The Swiss Things has a similar set up, utilizing a transformer on the 2nd output. I was able to grab one at $170 so I got everything the Humdinger has, two loop options, a boost, and a tuner and volume pedal out. Speaking of which, how do you like your volume pedal? What is about it that makes it worth so much more than other volumes?
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Post by DeanG on Dec 14, 2019 22:48:20 GMT -7
Speaking of which, how do you like your volume pedal? What is about it that makes it worth so much more than other volumes? Main reason for choosing Lehle, the product description best describes the technology behind the design. lehle.com/EN/Lehle-Mono-VolumeThe pedal has a nice sweep and adjustable friction for movement and feel. Reliability advantage no string as used in Erine Ball Jr. The simular to the size and weight Boss FV-500. Had both but the Lehle was the keeper. Lehle does require 9VDC.
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Post by DeanG on Dec 15, 2019 15:14:48 GMT -7
Came across Goodwood Audio. Pricey but as used on Reverb seems affordable.
Buzzkill - Ground Loop and Phase Issue Correction
Or,
Output TX.
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Post by zpilot on Dec 16, 2019 3:39:33 GMT -7
I bet that sounds great. I suspected that some of the Lehle and Radial stuff are set up as stout as they are to address some issues. I found this article helpful in explaining some of that. Currently I use a preamp as an always on to clean up some hum in my board. Sounds like a quality ABY will help with this too. Premier Guitar Amp Stacking ArticleThe Lehle is indeed bulletproof. I’ve had this one for over 10 years with no problems. The footswitches are mechanically separated from the actual switching electronics so you can literally jump up and down on the switch and not break anything (perhaps this was designed with Neil Young in mind 😁). And it’s all dead quiet. The only downside is that it’s a big pedal - but I don’t know how you’d put 3 switches and LEDs in less space. I also have a Lehle 1@3 that I have used off and on for about 13 years. It is everything you say. I also find the C to B loop to be very useful.
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Post by Rhino on Dec 16, 2019 7:34:15 GMT -7
When the venue is large enough I take the Wreck and the Germino and use a Fulltone A/B/Y. I'd always thought it would be cool to have two, separate tones available at the touch of a button but I find I always run the switcher on the "Y" setting...'cus they sound fantastic together!
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Post by runninwiththerevil (Matthew) on Dec 20, 2019 12:29:36 GMT -7
Oh my! So I got the EQD Swiss Things a few days ago. No matter how hard I tried it wasn't getting on my board, so I'm in the process of rebuilding my board. I couldn't wait any longer so I just stacked a few things around it on the floor. I have a ton of tweaking to do, but I'm loving the Maz 18 nr and Swart STR together. The piece that I need to work on is the best voice for both, but even without being really careful, I love how bringing two different tones together blooms into something huge. All by itself I don't care much for amp reverb. But after a little while I turned it up on the STR for a wet/dry set up. That's the way to go. I'm going to have to find some good reading on that to help me better consider the tone I will set each amp for.
While it's a little of a pain, and the Swiss Things really has to be placed in the top right corner of a pedal board to access the jacks in the manner you need to, I think I'm going to like this thing a lot. They have some special switches that let you use them as normal latch switches, or if you hold them down they function as momentary switches. I think I'm putting the phasor in the loop with the dirt so I can get a swirly crunch to pull up on licks. I'm also waiting for a Somersault, so the second loop with the time based stuff and chorus will have some fun stuff to pull up on the momentary as well. The boost is solid as well. I think this guy will stick around.
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Post by premiumplus (Dave) on Dec 21, 2019 19:26:39 GMT -7
The Swiss Things looks very cool. 3 buffers, 2 loops, and lots of variety in how you can configure it. Good call!
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Post by runninwiththerevil (Matthew) on Dec 21, 2019 20:12:12 GMT -7
The Swiss Things looks very cool. 3 buffers, 2 loops, and lots of variety in how you can configure it. Good call! I hope. I had to rebuild half of my board today to be able to fit it in with all the inputs and outputs it has. My board is square because it's made out of an old metal turn table chassis. The Swiss Things really wants to be in the top right, but because I have three rows I wanted it down closer to better access the switches. One big plus is that it has totally killed the hum that I haven't been able to run down for months. As longs as I leave on my preamp (a Boss F1-A clone) it is gone, but now it's just gone! The other thing that EQD isn't at all clear on is that the "volume/exp" jack only functions with an expression pedal. So the volume pedal I just bought only works if I put it in at the start of the chain. The issue with that is if I kill the signal at the start I can't tune. Still working out the bugs.
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