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Post by carrjimi on Dec 3, 2019 21:14:09 GMT -7
I guess this is a question for the good doctor...
Curious, how does the Wreck Jr compare to the 1/2 power Z wreck? I've got the 1/2 power combo that I use exclusively on 1/2 power.
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Post by premiumplus (Dave) on Dec 4, 2019 6:55:53 GMT -7
I'm curious too. I'm guessing that it is just the addition of a great master volume. I've got the combo too, and only use it with half power and usually a Brake-Lite on 2 or 3.
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Post by jhen86 (jordan) on Dec 4, 2019 10:44:04 GMT -7
I guess this is a question for the good doctor... Curious, how does the Wreck Jr compare to the 1/2 power Z wreck? I've got the 1/2 power combo that I use exclusively on 1/2 power. Really hope a YouTube vid will be made with this comparison.
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Post by Mark (Basement Enthusiast) on Dec 4, 2019 11:28:22 GMT -7
Sounds to me like a Master Volume would be the main thing, plus the 1x12 combo setup with a Greenback (optional upgrade to G12 Blue). AFAIK, the full-power 'Wreck was always a 1x12 Gold or 2x12 Blue+Gold, so this would be the first major departure from the Gold.
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Post by Russell B on Dec 4, 2019 11:36:51 GMT -7
It will also have a different power transformer as well. No comfort/speed switch. The rectifier tube used will dictate low voltage (Comfort) or high voltage (Speed).
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Post by rickyp on Dec 4, 2019 12:13:50 GMT -7
Besides the transformer and the master volume, I’m hoping the Wreck Jr will be the same design with just those changes, similar to the Maz 18 just being the 1/2 power version of the Maz 38, no major design departures involved.
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Post by DRZ on Dec 4, 2019 12:51:27 GMT -7
I guess this is a question for the good doctor... Curious, how does the Wreck Jr compare to the 1/2 power Z wreck? I've got the 1/2 power combo that I use exclusively on 1/2 power. Ok Jim & Dave, and I'm sure many others I will try to address the Z Wreck Jr. The Chassis and Turret boards are identical, they could go into either build. With the 5Y3 rectifier it has the Comfort response. Dave will understand this, I added a Boot Strap circuit to the Cathode Follower, makes the signal that drives the Tone Stack extremely Symmetrical, slightly more balanced and controllable Treble & Bass & CUT. The PPIMV is the big enchilada, the big Z Wreck doesn't have this pleatera of tones afforded by the MV. It is truly amazing the low level drive tone is to die for. OK with a Z wreck with 1/2 power switch running clean into a Gold , you will be hard pressed to tell the difference between the two. Where the Jr. excels is in it's much smoother overdrive tones. And here's why: The Z Wreck has a large Trainwreck design staggered stack Output Transformer which is rated at 40 watts. When only 18 watts is driven into it will stay some what articulate do to it's mass . The Jr. has the sweet Ghia OT , which when pushed gets smooth and nicely compressed , can't duplicate that on the Z wreck. Also the Greenback is a marriage made in heaven , sweet reedy tones from the Greenback cone is music to my ears, like a growling saxophone. Introductory pricing will be $1649.00 for the Head , and $1899.00 for the 1x12 combo. A great price for the true Trainwreck DNA. Look for the release after NAMM 2020.
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Post by rickyp on Dec 4, 2019 13:16:04 GMT -7
I guess this is a question for the good doctor... Curious, how does the Wreck Jr compare to the 1/2 power Z wreck? I've got the 1/2 power combo that I use exclusively on 1/2 power. Ok Jim & Dave, and I'm sure many others I will try to address the Z Wreck Jr. The Chassis and Turret boards are identical, they could go into either build. With the 5Y3 rectifier it has the Comfort response. Dave will understand this, I added a Boot Strap circuit to the Cathode Follower, makes the signal that drives the Tone Stack extremely Symmetrical, slightly more balanced and controllable Treble & Bass & CUT. The PPIMV is the big enchilada, the big Z Wreck doesn't have this pleatera of tones afforded by the MV. It is truly amazing the low level drive tone is to die for. OK with a Z wreck with 1/2 power switch running clean into a Gold , you will be hard pressed to tell the difference between the two. Where the Jr. excels is in it's much smoother overdrive tones. And here's why: The Z Wreck has a large Trainwreck design staggered stack Output Transformer which is rated at 40 watts. When only 18 watts is driven into it will stay some what articulate do to it's mass . The Jr. has the sweet Ghia OT , which when pushed gets smooth and nicely compressed , can't duplicate that on the Z wreck. Also the Greenback is a marriage made in heaven , sweet reedy tones from the Greenback cone is music to my ears, like a growling saxophone. Introductory pricing will be $1649.00 for the Head , and $1899.00 for the 1x12 combo. A great price for the true Trainwreck DNA. Look for the release after NAMM 2020. Questions: Answered.
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Post by KeithA on Dec 4, 2019 13:36:31 GMT -7
I guess this is a question for the good doctor... Curious, how does the Wreck Jr compare to the 1/2 power Z wreck? I've got the 1/2 power combo that I use exclusively on 1/2 power. Ok Jim & Dave, and I'm sure many others I will try to address the Z Wreck Jr. The Chassis and Turret boards are identical, they could go into either build. With the 5Y3 rectifier it has the Comfort response. Dave will understand this, I added a Boot Strap circuit to the Cathode Follower, makes the signal that drives the Tone Stack extremely Symmetrical, slightly more balanced and controllable Treble & Bass & CUT. The PPIMV is the big enchilada, the big Z Wreck doesn't have this pleatera of tones afforded by the MV. It is truly amazing the low level drive tone is to die for. OK with a Z wreck with 1/2 power switch running clean into a Gold , you will be hard pressed to tell the difference between the two. Where the Jr. excels is in it's much smoother overdrive tones. And here's why: The Z Wreck has a large Trainwreck design staggered stack Output Transformer which is rated at 40 watts. When only 18 watts is driven into it will stay some what articulate do to it's mass . The Jr. has the sweet Ghia OT , which when pushed gets smooth and nicely compressed , can't duplicate that on the Z wreck. Also the Greenback is a marriage made in heaven , sweet reedy tones from the Greenback cone is music to my ears, like a growling saxophone. Introductory pricing will be $1649.00 for the Head , and $1899.00 for the 1x12 combo. A great price for the true Trainwreck DNA. Look for the release after NAMM 2020. Sounds great Doc. I'll keep looking for the o/k for dealers to reach out to place orders 😎
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Post by j4gitr (John) on Dec 4, 2019 14:01:56 GMT -7
I guess this is a question for the good doctor... Curious, how does the Wreck Jr compare to the 1/2 power Z wreck? I've got the 1/2 power combo that I use exclusively on 1/2 power. Ok Jim & Dave, and I'm sure many others I will try to address the Z Wreck Jr. The Chassis and Turret boards are identical, they could go into either build. With the 5Y3 rectifier it has the Comfort response. Dave will understand this, I added a Boot Strap circuit to the Cathode Follower, makes the signal that drives the Tone Stack extremely Symmetrical, slightly more balanced and controllable Treble & Bass & CUT. The PPIMV is the big enchilada, the big Z Wreck doesn't have this pleatera of tones afforded by the MV. It is truly amazing the low level drive tone is to die for. OK with a Z wreck with 1/2 power switch running clean into a Gold , you will be hard pressed to tell the difference between the two. Where the Jr. excels is in it's much smoother overdrive tones. And here's why: The Z Wreck has a large Trainwreck design staggered stack Output Transformer which is rated at 40 watts. When only 18 watts is driven into it will stay some what articulate do to it's mass . The Jr. has the sweet Ghia OT , which when pushed gets smooth and nicely compressed , can't duplicate that on the Z wreck. Also the Greenback is a marriage made in heaven , sweet reedy tones from the Greenback cone is music to my ears, like a growling saxophone. Introductory pricing will be $1649.00 for the Head , and $1899.00 for the 1x12 combo. A great price for the true Trainwreck DNA. Look for the release after NAMM 2020. Wow! That's exciting.
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Post by rickyp on Dec 4, 2019 14:26:47 GMT -7
I guess this is a question for the good doctor... Curious, how does the Wreck Jr compare to the 1/2 power Z wreck? I've got the 1/2 power combo that I use exclusively on 1/2 power. Do you gig with it on half power? Only asking, because my desire to get a Z-wreck was for another amp for playing live, and having a Z wreck with a master volume makes it very attractive to me. I’m just wondering if the half power is enough for gigging.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2019 14:30:30 GMT -7
I guess this is a question for the good doctor... Curious, how does the Wreck Jr compare to the 1/2 power Z wreck? I've got the 1/2 power combo that I use exclusively on 1/2 power. Do you gig with it on half power? Only asking, because my desire to get a Z rack was for another amp for playing my out, and having a Z wreck with a master volume makes it very attractive to me. I’m just wondering if the half power is enough for gigging. I was thinking about this today. I haven't used an amp over 22 watts live since 2005. Mostly 18 watts. I have yet to play a gig that the Ghia couldn't handle in the last 10 years. I know my experience is rather limited as I just started playing professionally about 40 years ago but I thought I'd chime in anyway.
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Post by rickyp on Dec 4, 2019 14:33:04 GMT -7
Do you gig with it on half power? Only asking, because my desire to get a Z rack was for another amp for playing my out, and having a Z wreck with a master volume makes it very attractive to me. I’m just wondering if the half power is enough for gigging. I was thinking about this today. I haven't used an amp over 22 watts live since 2005. Mostly 18 watts. I have yet to play a gig that the Ghia couldn't handle in the last 10 years. I know my experience is rather limited as I just started playing professionally about 40 years ago but I thought I'd chime in anyway. I usually play my Z-Plus, and I play with older guys...particularly a rhythm guitar player and drummer who are both pushing 70, and don’t hear how loud they are playing.
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Post by Russell B on Dec 4, 2019 14:34:16 GMT -7
Do you gig with it on half power? Only asking, because my desire to get a Z rack was for another amp for playing my out, and having a Z wreck with a master volume makes it very attractive to me. I’m just wondering if the half power is enough for gigging. I was thinking about this today. I haven't used an amp over 22 watts live since 2005. Mostly 18 watts. I have yet to play a gig that the Ghia couldn't handle in the last 10 years. I know my experience is rather limited as I just started playing professionally about 40 years ago but I thought I'd chime in anyway.
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Post by carrjimi on Dec 4, 2019 18:49:40 GMT -7
Thanks for the reply Doc! Looking forward to hearing it!
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Post by premiumplus (Dave) on Dec 4, 2019 19:07:46 GMT -7
Very cool, Doc. I can see how these design refinements are going to make this my next amplifier.
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Post by fishbeiner on Dec 4, 2019 19:19:20 GMT -7
I would, without hesitation, place my order right now.
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Post by heynewguy (Ol’ Bill) on Dec 5, 2019 6:01:39 GMT -7
Wow!
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Post by Maddog on Dec 5, 2019 6:45:37 GMT -7
Yep WOW! Still can't part with my Red friend....what a killer amp! Excited to hear the Jr!!!!
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Post by Rockerfeller on Dec 5, 2019 7:16:18 GMT -7
Based on John's advice, I tried my Wreck with a Creamback. I A/B with a gold, and they were so close to each other tone wise. I don't think I could tell much of a difference at gig volume. That change shaves 3db off the amp and makes it more manageable. A greenback in the Jr makes sense to me!
I now use the Wreck and the DB4 together as an always on rig for outdoor concert in the park type shows. THAT rig is awesome.
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Post by JebusCrebus on Dec 5, 2019 7:30:24 GMT -7
Ok Jim & Dave, and I'm sure many others I will try to address the Z Wreck Jr. The Chassis and Turret boards are identical, they could go into either build. With the 5Y3 rectifier it has the Comfort response. Dave will understand this, I added a Boot Strap circuit to the Cathode Follower, makes the signal that drives the Tone Stack extremely Symmetrical, slightly more balanced and controllable Treble & Bass & CUT. The PPIMV is the big enchilada, the big Z Wreck doesn't have this pleatera of tones afforded by the MV. It is truly amazing the low level drive tone is to die for. OK with a Z wreck with 1/2 power switch running clean into a Gold , you will be hard pressed to tell the difference between the two. Where the Jr. excels is in it's much smoother overdrive tones. And here's why: The Z Wreck has a large Trainwreck design staggered stack Output Transformer which is rated at 40 watts. When only 18 watts is driven into it will stay some what articulate do to it's mass . The Jr. has the sweet Ghia OT , which when pushed gets smooth and nicely compressed , can't duplicate that on the Z wreck. Also the Greenback is a marriage made in heaven , sweet reedy tones from the Greenback cone is music to my ears, like a growling saxophone. Introductory pricing will be $1649.00 for the Head , and $1899.00 for the 1x12 combo. A great price for the true Trainwreck DNA. Look for the release after NAMM 2020. Thanks Doc, that sounds awesome, are there going to be any special Color options for the initial release like Quantum Silver heads or the Cool Blue for the Combo?
Just wondering
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Post by pcns on Dec 5, 2019 7:47:48 GMT -7
Wow, this bsounds incredible!!
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Post by DRZ on Dec 5, 2019 8:36:13 GMT -7
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Post by DRZ on Dec 5, 2019 8:37:13 GMT -7
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Post by KeithA on Dec 5, 2019 20:53:07 GMT -7
I want one in this shade of dark red My daughter is going to be very happy I'm finally getting a Z in black...err, I mean dark red. For Fathers' Day this year she gave me a subtle hint in craft felting
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Post by carrjimi on Dec 5, 2019 21:35:47 GMT -7
Do you gig with it on half power? Only asking, because my desire to get a Z rack was for another amp for playing my out, and having a Z wreck with a master volume makes it very attractive to me. I’m just wondering if the half power is enough for gigging. I was thinking about this today. I haven't used an amp over 22 watts live since 2005. Mostly 18 watts. I have yet to play a gig that the Ghia couldn't handle in the last 10 years. I know my experience is rather limited as I just started playing professionally about 40 years ago but I thought I'd chime in anyway. I gig with it solely on half power. It’s pleanty loud for most shows I play.
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Post by recess on Dec 5, 2019 22:03:08 GMT -7
Is there any word on whether standard Wreck's can be modded with master volume in the future?
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Post by DRZ on Dec 6, 2019 4:21:25 GMT -7
Is there any word on whether standard Wreck's can be modded with master volume in the future? Possibly , but not at this time.
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Post by mattsmusic on Dec 6, 2019 9:17:25 GMT -7
Sign us up! Might have to get myself one to match my Prescription ES and take it on smaller gigs..
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Post by DRZ on Dec 6, 2019 9:50:55 GMT -7
Sign us up! Might have to get myself one to match my Prescription ES and take it on smaller gigs.. Just email in your order, head or combo .
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