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Post by Rockerfeller on May 26, 2019 6:45:30 GMT -7
I had an intermittent issue on my pedal board that was driving me crazy. I couldn't replicate the problem, thought I had fixed it, only to have it happen again on a gig. I tested all my cables and found that some of my homemade cables with Mogami cable were the issue. So I had to change all those out with some other cables I had and the issue is fixed!
But, in the process I started looking for honest patch cable comparisons. That is when I stumbled on this video. Take a look at it and tell me what you think. Does this guys test matter, or do the tests lead to a false conclusion about what cable brands might be best? One of his tests is how much the cables weigh, but I skipped that part because I don't care about that.
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Post by daddyelmis (Greg) on May 26, 2019 8:23:16 GMT -7
I think it's an interesting comparison, and approaches the issues from a more "real world" scenario than pure laboratory measurements. I'm sure each company whose cable performed poorly in any test would have lots of data and info disputing the results. And, of course, some of the best know cables (George L, Monster, etc.) did not participate.
it was a ton of work to do that test, and I think it's very interesting. Will it affect my purchasing decisions? Likely not -- first, not knowing most of the brands he tested I don't know that they would hit my radar, and I tend to end up buying what I can find more easily shopping online. I've used George L's for years mainly because it's easy to create custom lengths (which to me is a huge plus when wiring up a pedalboard).
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Post by Rockerfeller on May 26, 2019 8:48:25 GMT -7
I think it's an interesting comparison, and approaches the issues from a more "real world" scenario than pure laboratory measurements. I'm sure each company whose cable performed poorly in any test would have lots of data and info disputing the results. And, of course, some of the best know cables (George L, Monster, etc.) did not participate. it was a ton of work to do that test, and I think it's very interesting. Will it affect my purchasing decisions? Likely not -- first, not knowing most of the brands he tested I don't know that they would hit my radar, and I tend to end up buying what I can find more easily shopping online. I've used George L's for years mainly because it's easy to create custom lengths (which to me is a huge plus when wiring up a pedalboard). What surprised me the most was that the Ernie Ball cables performed so well! That was a shocker!
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2019 10:17:36 GMT -7
Didn't test for the things that concern me most--reliability and solid connection at the top of the list, and a low-profile, compact "head" (whatever you call the housing around the connector) coming in second. Resistance to RF interference also important, but a distant third. I have to say, my initial enthusiasm for EBS cables has waned somewhat on the solid connection front. I've had a couple of instances now in which they've come just loose enough in transport to drop the signal, yet not be a visible problem--meaning here we go on a panic-inducing check to figure out why I'm not getting signal from guitar to amp. I still like the DiMarzio patch cables as a good compromise, and of course the PCNS cables are superb.
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Post by mrdannyboy on May 26, 2019 10:35:31 GMT -7
Interesting for sure. I’ve always kept my cables as short as I possibly can. There is a video I am going to try to find, this guy has his own cable brand and it’s pretty interesting the resulting comparisons
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Post by DeanG on May 26, 2019 11:40:20 GMT -7
Went from Hosa IRG Patch cables (low end) to Evidence Audio SIS (high end). Pedal board set up with input buffer (Polytune 3), volume pedal with buffer (mid-path after OD before Fx pedals) and Fx output with trails buffer. So, thought enough signal recovery with the Hosa Patch cables installed, but the Evidence Audio SIS improved the Highs and with a stronger signal as a result (more efficient, suspect less capacitance). Evidence Audio SIS con, connector assembly required (had 2 of 22 connector assembly redo); pro, customized cable length, small profile connector, and improved audio performance. Evidence Audio SIS switch during 1/2019, some tear down since, to replace pedals, no connector failures as a result. Satisfied with Evidence Audio SIS patch cables.
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Post by zpilot on May 26, 2019 11:58:06 GMT -7
While some of the parameters they measured are valid I have to call BS on others. To me the capacitance is the most important. Inductance is not important to me. He was laying the entire length of patch cable next to the speaker cable and that is absolutely not going to happen on a pedalboard. All of my cables are as short as possible and run directly from pedal to pedal. If they need to cross a power cable it is at right angles. The mechanical noise is irrelevant also since they are tied in place on the board, unlike a cable which goes from the guitar to the board and gets dragged on the ground.
Oh well. It was an interesting way to spend a half hour or so watching this. I will still use my PCNS cables for most things and a few short EBS flat cables where needed.
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Post by Rockerfeller on May 26, 2019 13:26:06 GMT -7
While some of the parameters they measured are valid I have to call BS on others. To me the capacitance is the most important. Inductance is not important to me. He was laying the entire length of patch cable next to the speaker cable and that is absolutely not going to happen on a pedalboard. That's interesting. I thought that the noise issue might be the most important thing. I didn't think about it in terms of speaker cable, but more in terms of the power supply cables. What I want are cables that are quiet and reliable. Cables problems tend to show up right in the middle of a song on stage, and nobody wants that. It would be interesting to see what Todd has to say about the guys tests.
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Post by zpilot on May 26, 2019 15:50:08 GMT -7
While some of the parameters they measured are valid I have to call BS on others. To me the capacitance is the most important. Inductance is not important to me. He was laying the entire length of patch cable next to the speaker cable and that is absolutely not going to happen on a pedalboard. That's interesting. I thought that the noise issue might be the most important thing. I didn't think about it in terms of speaker cable, but more in terms of the power supply cables. What I want are cables that are quiet and reliable. Cables problems tend to show up right in the middle of a song on stage, and nobody wants that. It would be interesting to see what Todd has to say about the guys tests. Also note that power cables on your board are almost exclusively DC and contribute no noise.
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Post by Rik on May 27, 2019 5:41:30 GMT -7
I use PCNS that way I know I have the best and don’t have to worry! Plus locally made here in MI by fellow Forum member Todd!
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