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Post by markT on Apr 21, 2019 7:12:20 GMT -7
I've been running my Z-Master with the volumes about 10am and 9am respectively. It's still loud, but have great results with various overdrive pedals. Just wondering if the Brake-Lite would be an option since the impedance mismatch and all?
What's the word Dr Z?
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Post by DRZ on Apr 21, 2019 8:11:20 GMT -7
Haven't tried it Mark. I'll hook one up and get back with my feelings.
In all honesty, Kenny Fischer designed the Air Brake to run on 16 ohm load Marshalls & 16 ohm load VOX AC 30's initially. It is a revised T Pad design using the speaker load as an intragal part of the design . My Brake Lite is just a lower powered smaller copy of the Air Brake. So it will work fine with 8 ohms , and will work with 4 ohms, but some 4 ohm loads push the devices limits of transparency . With that in mind I feel that the mismatched output of the Z Master might be compromising . There may be better Attenuators to use with Z Master if you truly feel a need to use one.
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Post by markT on Apr 21, 2019 9:07:16 GMT -7
Thanks Doc!
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Post by Rockerfeller on Apr 21, 2019 12:41:56 GMT -7
Mark,
Do you think the Z-Master is as loud as the 30watt Wreck?
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Post by markT on Apr 21, 2019 13:54:32 GMT -7
Mark, Do you think the Z-Master is as loud as the 30watt Wreck? All day long....
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Post by Rockerfeller on Apr 21, 2019 14:36:28 GMT -7
Mark, Do you think the Z-Master is as loud as the 30watt Wreck? All day long.... Now I am even more intrigued with it. Let us know how it works for you at your first gig. I play in a loud band and the Z wreck is rarely too loud for the things that we do. But I usually have the master volume on that thing around 10 1030. As long as the z Master isn't louder than the Z wreck, it'll work for me.
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Post by Faze on Apr 21, 2019 15:12:47 GMT -7
All day long.... Now I am even more intrigued with it. Let us know how it works for you at your first gig. I play in a loud band and the Z wreck is rarely too loud for the things that we do. But I usually have the master volume on that thing around 10 1030. As long as the z Master isn't louder than the Z wreck, it'll work for me. I just gigged mine today and it cuts through the mix beautifully and thats with a loud drummer and the Hammond B3. I honestly feel no need for a brake lite at home. I just keep my volumes down at about 8-9 o clock. ( At home) But sometimes at home I go to about 10 -11 as well depending on my mood. But there is sweet tone even at lower levels. Its the amp I been waiting for Doc to make those three speakers are where the MOJO is at.
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Post by fishbeiner on Apr 21, 2019 16:29:37 GMT -7
Do you think the Z-Master is as loud as the 30watt Wreck? From my experience, they have similar levels of loudness, however, the Z-Master breaks up a lot sooner than the Wreck (dare I say I like the breakup of the Z-Master more than the Wreck?). Using a Strat with single coils (Lace Sensor), the Wreck has to be turned up at least 3/4 of the way on the volume before you get close to that edge of breakup sound. The Z-Master, I’d say about 1/2 way and that’s already pretty crunchy. And the breakup is glorious. Also, I did try a Brake Lite in the Z-Master. Seemed to work just fine. Very pleasing at all levels, in fact, I liked the BL better with this amp than others I’ve used it with. I had no issues with it at all. I did have to adjust the settings on some pedals unused with it. At first, my Timmy sounded horrible, which was strange because it has been a pedal I have loved with just about every amp. But, once I started adjusting it, I found that it gave me some really good stuff out of the Z-Master. Overall, the Z-Master is one of my favorite Z amps. It might even be my favorite. The 3x10 speaker setup in the Z-Master is something else. There is definitely something there that creates this 3-D sound. And with the light weigh of the combo, it’s just a spectacular setup.
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Post by markT on Apr 21, 2019 16:59:56 GMT -7
Mark, Do you think the Z-Master is as loud as the 30watt Wreck? Upon more testing.... They are both 30 Watts...however the transformers on the Z Wreck are bigger. And the Gold in the combo is more efficient/louder. I'd give the pure volume level to the Z Wreck. But the Z Master has 3 speakers so it's really completely different. It's got a fuller, deeper sound. Both stellar amps at the top of Z's line.
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Post by Faze on Apr 21, 2019 17:20:54 GMT -7
The Z-Master is my all time Favorite Z amp. 3D surround sound tone. Just beautiful cleans and warm articulation throughout the gain stages. Just a beautiful sounding amp with loads of character and mojo.
Its lightweight yet packs a mean punch! It's like the Bruce lee of amps.
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Post by texaspicker11 on Nov 2, 2023 19:04:52 GMT -7
Does anyone have experience running the Fryette PS2A with the Z master? Will it allow the mismatch to do its thing? Also are there any other Z amps that mismatch impedance?
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Post by frankie on Nov 6, 2023 13:27:08 GMT -7
Does anyone have experience running the Fryette PS2A with the Z master? Will it allow the mismatch to do its thing? Also are there any other Z amps that mismatch impedance? By design, the Fryette power station is a power amplifier in itself. It takes the speaker signal and converts it to line level to reamp it through it's own power section, then back out at speaker level through it's own output transformer. Provided it has an 4 ohm output tap, there will still be a mismatch, as the speakers themselves are approximately a 2.6 ohm load. There are no other Z amps that do this intentional mismatch, but it's common for people to use a Carmen Ghia into a 16 ohm load.
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Post by Zed on Nov 6, 2023 17:59:06 GMT -7
Does anyone have experience running the Fryette PS2A with the Z master? Will it allow the mismatch to do its thing? Also are there any other Z amps that mismatch impedance? By design, the Fryette power station is a power amplifier in itself. It takes the speaker signal and converts it to line level to reamp it through it's own power section, then back out at speaker level through it's own output transformer. Provided it has an 4 ohm output tap, there will still be a mismatch, as the speakers themselves are approximately a 2.6 ohm load. There are no other Z amps that do this intentional mismatch, but it's common for people to use a Carmen Ghia into a 16 ohm load. People run their ghias on 16 ohm load? What will this do? I’m into know more….
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Post by texaspicker11 on Nov 7, 2023 1:02:29 GMT -7
By design, the Fryette power station is a power amplifier in itself. It takes the speaker signal and converts it to line level to reamp it through it's own power section, then back out at speaker level through it's own output transformer. Provided it has an 4 ohm output tap, there will still be a mismatch, as the speakers themselves are approximately a 2.6 ohm load. There are no other Z amps that do this intentional mismatch, but it's common for people to use a Carmen Ghia into a 16 ohm load. People run their ghias on 16 ohm load? What will this do? I’m into know more…. Thank you very much!!!
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Post by frankie on Nov 7, 2023 10:15:11 GMT -7
By design, the Fryette power station is a power amplifier in itself. It takes the speaker signal and converts it to line level to reamp it through it's own power section, then back out at speaker level through it's own output transformer. Provided it has an 4 ohm output tap, there will still be a mismatch, as the speakers themselves are approximately a 2.6 ohm load. There are no other Z amps that do this intentional mismatch, but it's common for people to use a Carmen Ghia into a 16 ohm load. People run their ghias on 16 ohm load? What will this do? I’m into know more…. It will compress the amp a little more, push the mids, and make it slightly quieter overall. More for someone who like to run their Ghia pretty dirty and wants to shave off a few dB. Not much but a few.
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Post by Zed on Nov 7, 2023 19:23:14 GMT -7
People run their ghias on 16 ohm load? What will this do? I’m into know more…. It will compress the amp a little more, push the mids, and make it slightly quieter overall. More for someone who like to run their Ghia pretty dirty and wants to shave off a few dB. Not much but a few. interesting. I’m try to find ways to get a scoch (?) more “clang “ and a touch more clean headroom…. Maybe a louder speaker? All that to say, I love how tweakable this amp is!
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Post by frankie on Nov 9, 2023 11:00:35 GMT -7
It will compress the amp a little more, push the mids, and make it slightly quieter overall. More for someone who like to run their Ghia pretty dirty and wants to shave off a few dB. Not much but a few. interesting. I’m try to find ways to get a scoch (?) more “clang “ and a touch more clean headroom…. Maybe a louder speaker? All that to say, I love how tweakable this amp is! You can try 5751s in the preamp tube slots for more clean headroom. Clang is usually associated with tighter transient response. You can try a 5v4 rectifier for a slightly higher B+ voltage, which should translate to more transient response.
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Post by Zed on Nov 9, 2023 17:35:11 GMT -7
interesting. I’m try to find ways to get a scoch (?) more “clang “ and a touch more clean headroom…. Maybe a louder speaker? All that to say, I love how tweakable this amp is! You can try 5751s in the preamp tube slots for more clean headroom. Clang is usually associated with tighter transient response. You can try a 5v4 rectifier for a slightly higher B+ voltage, which should translate to more transient response. wow. This is really cool info. Thx man, I’ll try this out!
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