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Post by KeithA on Apr 17, 2019 14:23:33 GMT -7
Starting to collect some pedals. I lean more toward time-based pedals. The WAZA delay and chorus pedals caught my eye. I like the simplicity and don't really want to look for and over-pay for the originals.
Anybody have and love the DM-2W and CE-2W delay and chorus?
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Post by ME on Apr 17, 2019 16:44:07 GMT -7
Hmm, I have them both. The delay is nice. The chorus has a good tones. Are they like the originals? Like the CE 2 I used... I guess it sounds like the CE 1 I played in my youth. I can get good sounds from them and have them on my board now. ME
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Post by KeithA on Apr 17, 2019 17:07:15 GMT -7
Hmm, I have them both. The delay is nice. The chorus has a good tones. Are they like the originals? Like the CE 2 I used... I guess it sounds like the CE 1 I played in my youth. I can get good sounds from them and have them on my board now. ME I like the simple 2-3 knob thing. I may swing by L&M tomorrow to see if they have them to try.
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Post by ME on Apr 17, 2019 18:35:10 GMT -7
They are worth checking out. Old school, like me, simple and dependable. I had the mini Ibanez analogue delay, the Waza is much better to my ear. ME
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Post by screenresistor on Apr 17, 2019 19:15:33 GMT -7
Does WAZA = more money?
Why? Ive got a lot of vintage Boss pedals that work great and have stood the test of time. Why pay more for a clone from the original company? Sound like marketing... Just my opinion
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Post by KeithA on Apr 17, 2019 23:35:41 GMT -7
Does WAZA = more money? Why? Ive got a lot of vintage Boss pedals that work great and have stood the test of time. Why pay more for a clone from the original company? Sound like marketing... Just my opinion Exactly. The WAZA line are simply certain vintage Boss pedal reissues made in Japan. The pedals offered represent pedals whose original vintage counterparts fetch up to, say, US$400 on the used market. The reissues are not only that but offer a new twist in each pedal. Those who own the originals are not the target market. Those who want the originals, or reasonable facsimile thereof, can get a WAZA for less than the originals can bring on the used market. I think it's a smart idea on the part of Boss. Why should everybody else have a piece of this new pedal wave by making 'clones' of a craze they were on the ground floor of in the '70s.
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Post by screenresistor on Apr 18, 2019 13:16:33 GMT -7
KeithA- You make some good points ... makes me look at it in a different way.
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Post by KeithA on Apr 20, 2019 12:25:52 GMT -7
Bought the Waza chorus today. Noodle time tonight.
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Post by LT on Apr 20, 2019 14:37:28 GMT -7
Never tried the Waza DM-2 but I have an original and like it for what it does. Like other analog delays it leans toward the darker tones (the repeats) and does have a quasi-reverb effect to it. Also, the delay time is about 300ms max. It's a great rockabilly slap delay.
Keith.....I'm interested in hearing your report about the chorus. I like the CE-1 and 2 and am interested to see if Boss upped the top spin speed in the Waza to better replicate a Leslie if needed. The originals didn't have enough speed on the top end IMO (of course, back then we were lugging around REAL Leslies!)
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Post by KeithA on Apr 20, 2019 17:42:29 GMT -7
Never tried the Waza DM-2 but I have an original and like it for what it does. Like other analog delays it leans toward the darker tones (the repeats) and does have a quasi-reverb effect to it. Also, the delay time is about 300ms max. It's a great rockabilly slap delay. Keith.....I'm interested in hearing your report about the chorus. I like the CE-1 and 2 and am interested to see if Boss upped the top spin speed in the Waza to better replicate a Leslie if needed. The originals didn't have enough speed on the top end IMO (of course, back then we were lugging around REAL Leslies!) The CE-2W includes the vibrato of the CE-1, but I don't think it gets to the speed of a Leslie (it's likely faithful to the original CE-1). I love the pedal. All of the modes are great (CE-2, CE-1 & CE-1 vibrato channel). What I really like is that you can set the knobs at 12:00 and its great. As well, when you move to the left or right of centre there are only useable sounds. Nothing is extreme. For my money I'm just content to leave it on the CE-1 setting with both knobs at 12:00. Such a sweet, musical chorus sound through the Z-Plus. I have a couple other chorus pedals that I'm sure sound close, but there's something about the Waza's simplicity that I love. It's like the Carmen Ghia of chorus pedals
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Post by scottc on Apr 22, 2019 6:13:20 GMT -7
I love the Waza stuff. And I own vintage Boss pedals including two CE-2's (one modded by Keeley), a CE-3 and a DM-3.
I purchased the DM-2W because it sounds as good as my original (in a slightly "cleaner/clearer" way) and in custom mode has twice the delay time (about 600 ms). That is almost as much as a DD-3.
I have spent time with the CE-2W (other guitar player in one of my projects has one) and like it as well. However, because of what I already own, I did not purchase one. I can vouch for it though-Sounds great!
On the modulation front, I did buy the DC-2W. The re-issue of the old dimension pedal. It is kind of a chorus, but not really. Also great and recommended for something a bit different.
I am a big believer in the Waza Craft line and own a Blues Driver and even the Tuner.
You may ask why spend the extra for a tuner?? Simple: it has a built in (external) switchable buffer, brighter LED's and seems even more accurate than the old stand-by Boss tuner.
Try 'em all; You won't regret it!
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Post by KeithA on Apr 22, 2019 6:37:40 GMT -7
I purchased the DM-2W because it sounds as good as my original (in a slightly "cleaner/clearer" way) and in custom mode has twice the delay time (about 600 ms). That is almost as much as a DD-3. The DM-2W is next on the list. Noodled for about an hour last night with the CE-2W and my Z-Plus. Love the pedal and really love the CE-1 mode.
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Post by zman on Apr 24, 2019 3:41:17 GMT -7
I do like the WAZA Boss line. I have been trying and spending many hundreds/thousands of dollars over the years on effects. I have to say the WAZA CE-2W is the best and most natural sounding chorus I have ever owned or tried. Not to mention very easy to dial in. Just sounds Great to my ears!
The WAZA DM-2W sounded good as well and I know made its mark in the day... however, I really found it difficult to dial in. Just the smallest turns or tweaks starts the space oscillation. I know 3 knobs only.... but I just could never get the DM-2W dialed in where it felt right. I went back to the stock Boss DD-3 but would like to see it converted to WAZA as well like the DM-2W.
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Post by KeithA on Apr 24, 2019 5:57:58 GMT -7
I do like the WAZA Boss line. I have been trying and spending many hundreds/thousands of dollars over the years on effects. I have to say the WAZA CE-2W is the best and most natural sounding chorus I have ever owned or tried. Not to mention very easy to dial in. Just sounds Great to my ears! The WAZA DM-2W sounded good as well and I know made its mark in the day... however, I really found it difficult to dial in. Just the smallest turns or tweaks starts the space oscillation. I know 3 knobs only.... but I just could never get the DM-2W dialed in where it felt right. I went back to the stock Boss DD-3 but would like to see it converted to WAZA as well like the DM-2W. Thanks. I'll keep that in mine re: the DM-2W. I'm really loving the CE-2W and I agree with you, it's a fantastic sounding chorus and so easy to dial in. I'm just keeping it set on the CE-1 mode with both knobs @ 12:00. It's perfect.
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Post by scottc on Apr 29, 2019 5:38:45 GMT -7
The WAZA DM-2W sounded good as well and I know made its mark in the day... however, I really found it difficult to dial in. Just the smallest turns or tweaks starts the space oscillation. I know 3 knobs only.... but I just could never get the DM-2W dialed in where it felt right. I went back to the stock Boss DD-3 but would like to see it converted to WAZA as well like the DM-2W. For me, the trick is to find a couple of settings that you really like and to memorize where they are (approximately) on said three knobs. I typically use a slapback setting and one that is about 300 milliseconds and go back and forth between those two for the most part. This is entirely different from my larger (main) board . I have a Strymon ElCap with a favorite switch setting for slapback and then tap in the exact time I need per song for every other... Just different mindset due to the particulars of each pedal.
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Post by zpilot on May 14, 2019 1:48:34 GMT -7
I had an original CE-2. The only reason I let it go was chorus eventually fell out of favor as an effect and I don't collect pedals I'm not likely to use. It was THE Andy Summers sound and did that perfectly. To this day when I plug into a chorus I find myself trying to replicate that. I would own a CE-2W if I used chorus often. Instead I will stick with my Ibanez Mini Chorus and spend the difference on a VERY GOOD Leslie sim. If chorus is your thing though I highly recommend the CE-2W if it clones the original.
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Post by KeithA on May 14, 2019 5:23:13 GMT -7
If chorus is your thing though I highly recommend the CE-2W if it clones the original. It not only clones the original, but adds the CE-1 emulation which is argueably better/different (a little bit more 'there' there). For me it's worth the price for the CE-1 mode alone.
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Post by zman on May 15, 2019 5:10:15 GMT -7
The WAZA DM-2W sounded good as well and I know made its mark in the day... however, I really found it difficult to dial in. Just the smallest turns or tweaks starts the space oscillation. I know 3 knobs only.... but I just could never get the DM-2W dialed in where it felt right. I went back to the stock Boss DD-3 but would like to see it converted to WAZA as well like the DM-2W. For me, the trick is to find a couple of settings that you really like and to memorize where they are (approximately) on said three knobs. I typically use a slapback setting and one that is about 300 milliseconds and go back and forth between those two for the most part. This is entirely different from my larger (main) board . I have a Strymon ElCap with a favorite switch setting for slapback and then tap in the exact time I need per song for every other... Just different mindset due to the particulars of each pedal. I might just have to get the Waza DM-2W again:)! I always read the manual if needed... however I recently watched a video of a original DM-2 and Waza DM-2. I didn't KNOW the repeat rate knob works backwards on this pedal! Put simply... if the rpeat dial is at minimum or 0 its at its longest repeat setting and all the way up at its shortest. I'm thinking that swayed my views of this pedal. Time to get another... This explains my confusion and also having to many delay pedals to decide over at the time.
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