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Post by zpilot on Feb 25, 2019 19:14:46 GMT -7
I have wanted to try a Greenback with my MAZ 8, just to play with some more Marshall type tones using my new Nobels pedal. I have a Scumback M75-65 watt on the way. The 25 watt version would have been fine with the 8 watt MAZ but I re-amp sometimes using 30 to 40 watts so I felt the need for the 65 watt version. I know the M-75 is about 3 dBs less efficient than my current speaker, a C-Gold. That should not be a problem around the house and at church. I'm a BIG believer in the Gold. I just want to shake things up a bit. This is supposed to be a very faithful replica of the pre-Rolla Celestion and somewhat different than current Greenbacks and its clones. I don't hear much on here about Scumback speakers. Why is that?
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Post by purpletele on Feb 25, 2019 19:46:00 GMT -7
Scumback speakers are big with the Friedman, Marshall groups.
It’s almost cult status, and the owner doesn’t advertise that I know of.
To me it’s hard to beat the Cream Alnico for adding sizzle jangle to an amplifier
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Post by Mark (Basement Enthusiast) on Feb 26, 2019 7:13:17 GMT -7
Scumback consistently makes some of the most classic-sounding & musically-rich speakers every time I buy one. (I've owned several, and still own a few.) I think you'll be pleased with the quality of your incoming M75-65--that's one of the most versatile speakers available.
Don't know why they're not as popular or talked about as much. Maybe because Celestion is still in business and still kickin' out pretty good speakers, and they're more widely available. Just like any "boutique" brand, the Scumbacks are on another level but price & availability tend to take the direct spotlight off them. For better or worse, Celestion still owns that spotlight.
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Post by zpilot on Feb 26, 2019 10:44:34 GMT -7
Scumback speakers are big with the Friedman, Marshall groups. It’s almost cult status, and the owner doesn’t advertise that I know of. To me it’s hard to beat the Cream Alnico for adding sizzle jangle to an amplifier My Gold has all the jangle that anyone should need and I love that. My Z-12 has more of an American sound. I even have a vintage Oxford that works incredibly well with my MAZ 8 for a variety of classic sounds. I'm just feeling a little "British" at this time and I'm looking to play with some gainier (is that a proper word) tones. The Gold seems to get a little too harsh on top for me when played like that.
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Post by zpilot on Feb 26, 2019 10:54:36 GMT -7
Scumback consistently makes some of the most classic-sounding & musically-rich speakers every time I buy one. (I've owned several, and still own a few.) I think you'll be pleased with the quality of your incoming M75-65--that's one of the most versatile speakers available. Don't know why they're not as popular or talked about as much. Maybe because Celestion is still in business and still kickin' out pretty good speakers, and they're more widely available. Just like any "boutique" brand, the Scumbacks are on another level but price & availability tend to take the direct spotlight off them. For better or worse, Celestion still owns that spotlight. I totally agree. Most players have never even heard of the brand. There is only about $35 difference in price between the M75 and a Celestion Greenback though. For someone who is serious about their sound that is inconsequential.
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Post by detuned on Feb 28, 2019 10:25:05 GMT -7
I'm a big Scumback fan. I've got an H55 in an open backed 1X12, and a Scumnico S75-PVC in a Swart AST. Both are phenomenal speakers, and in the case of the Alnico, actually cheaper than some of the Celestions they compare to, especially used.
To each his own, of course. I get that it's a lot easier to find a "live" version of a Celestion speaker in a music store, so you're often buying boutique brands unheard. Jim's a great guy to deal with, though, and will quickly answer any of your questions with a considered recommendation, not just whatever he's trying to push at the moment.
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Post by bigben55 on Feb 28, 2019 12:49:15 GMT -7
I dig the H75 65 watter in my Z28 1x12 combo more every time I play it. It's exactly how its described, EQ wise, on the Scumback website.
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Post by trojanhov on Feb 28, 2019 19:29:53 GMT -7
I dig the H75 65 watter in my Z28 1x12 combo more every time I play it. It's exactly how its described, EQ wise, on the Scumback website. This is on my radar as my next speaker for my 1x12 convertible cab
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Post by mudman on Feb 28, 2019 19:48:00 GMT -7
I tried an early one. It was very good in my maz.
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Post by KeithA on Feb 28, 2019 19:56:16 GMT -7
I have a BM75-65 just sitting in a box.
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Post by bigben55 on Mar 1, 2019 5:51:13 GMT -7
Honestly, knowing you have a Z28, I'd look at the J75. A little less bass and treble, a little more mids than the H75. The Z28 dont really need the mids, but the H75 has huge tight lows and lots of them. More than the Z28 "needs." I got a Z Drive pedal. With its active EQ, I can dial out some bass. And my #1 is a strat, so I'm all good. But with a Les Paul and no "other" EQ control, it could be too much. I dig the H75 65 watter in my Z28 1x12 combo more every time I play it. It's exactly how its described, EQ wise, on the Scumback website. This is on my radar as my next speaker for my 1x12 convertible cab
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Post by zpilot on Mar 1, 2019 12:44:19 GMT -7
The Scumback has arrived. It seems to do what I had hoped it would. I will need a few days of A/B'ing it with my Gold. They are distinctly different speakers. I will need to play awhile, walk away, then come back later to see if my impression changes. Then do that several times over several days.
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Post by zpilot on Mar 3, 2019 20:39:08 GMT -7
I A/B'd the speakers with an attenuator on the Gold so they would be at the same level. The Gold was in my MAZ 8 combo and the M75 in a cheap 2x12 sealed cab with the back off. I used an A/B footswitch so the change would be immediate. The M75 made every one of my dirt pedals sound more authentic. More like part of the amp. There is more midrange in the M75 and the highs are smoother. The M75 clean tones are pleasant and well balanced as long as you don't push the the speaker beyond a certain point. Based on what I heard I replaced the Gold with the M75 and it sounded even better in the MAZ cabinet. No surprise there. I never thought that the Gold would cease being my main speaker. The single M75 will be able to play clean and loud enough for home use and at church but if I was to play a club gig with a band I would want two of them, or maybe pair it with an M55.
Mostly I heard what I expected with overdrives and such. I was surprised at how much I like the clean tones though.
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Post by premiumplus (Dave) on Mar 4, 2019 7:26:09 GMT -7
I'm curious, did you have a disconnected 2nd speaker in the 2X12 cab when you tested the M75, or was the speaker mounting hole open? I've got a Z-12 speaker in my Maz 8 (ultra lite combo cab) right now that sounds really good, it's a great combination. My Maz 18NR has a Gold. But I'm always open to improvement...
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Post by zpilot on Mar 4, 2019 10:04:20 GMT -7
There was another speaker in the 2x12 and it was not connected. If you play mostly clean you may prefer the Gold since it requires less power and the bottom is firmer. I had to get past the point where I was comparing the speakers at doing the same thing and just appreciated the M75 for what it is; a great and essential part of classic rock and roll guitar tones. I did NOT like it at first. That is natural. I was used to hearing the Gold.
It reminds me of the many times I have been in a music store and a salesman has tried to sell me the new hot mic on the market, claiming it is "better than an SM58". He proceeds to demo it against a 58 and it is louder so the ear perceives that as better. But the 58 has a response curve that just works well in live situations. If you need it louder, turn it up. And yes, finally after almost 50 years there ARE better mics than a 58. But it has a classic sound. That is my point.
There was a similar situation in Hi-Fi stores where they would demo a speaker that was more efficient and had more prominent highs. They were not necessarily more musical. I'm not knocking the Gold. I've been a big fan. The Scumback just seems to work for me for what I am doing right now. All my guitars like it better except for my 12-string electric. I was also surprised that I seem to like it better in an open back cabinet.
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Post by pistolpete on May 2, 2019 6:03:54 GMT -7
I have a couple of 30 watt Scumnicos waiting For an Oval back 2x12. With the Stangray on top It should get me fairly close to AC30/4 territory. Ill make sure to report.
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Post by pistolpete on May 7, 2019 13:49:17 GMT -7
Very Happy to say these Scumnicos are great Speakers. Since i dig blondes i took advantage Of the cabs that Z had left. Loaded the Scumnicos Into a blonde oval back 2x12, and wired them in series and ran the Stangray from the 16ohm output. All the highs and lows are there and when you hammer the strings the mids are wonderful. I really love the Gold with the Stangray and these sound a little tougher with all the detail. These also came with factory break in included. I Love the Celestions but these are definitely another great Option.
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