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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 8:42:47 GMT -7
to folks who got on the list in December, 2016. Two years and two months. For an OD pedal. Made of super-secret unobtanium, apparently. And AnalogMike gets upset when market forces (scarcity and hype) drive up resale prices, which are now hovering around $530. For an OD pedal. There's an obvious solution, if you really think that's a problem: hire a couple of extra guys and just build them. Hell, if my name actually comes up on the waitlist at some point, I won't know whether to sell it for whatever the market will bear, or put it in a glass case and show it to my grandkids, if I'm ever lucky enough to have them.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 8:58:15 GMT -7
If I wanted a dual overdrive that does the KoT thing but better, I'd probably go for a Wampler Paisley Deluxe. I could get two brand new ones for the price of one used KoT, and get more bottom end, more gain, and a more useable volume taper in the bargain.
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Post by LT on Feb 19, 2019 9:14:12 GMT -7
I got on the list July 2017, so I'm at least 6 months still out.
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Post by zpilot on Feb 19, 2019 10:30:28 GMT -7
I don't blame AnalogMike for not choosing to expand production. The KOT is not his only product. I don't know how many employees he has but at some point, depending on your goals, it is just not worth growing a business any larger. Especially in some states. He also claims his supply of parts is limited. Whatever, let's give him credit for not gouging when he obviously could, as others are.
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Post by KeithA on Feb 19, 2019 11:03:05 GMT -7
to folks who got on the list in December, 2016. Two years and two months. For an OD pedal. Made of super-secret unobtanium, apparently. And AnalogMike gets upset when market forces (scarcity and hype) drive up resale prices, which are now hovering around $530. For an OD pedal. There's an obvious solution, if you really think that's a problem: hire a couple of extra guys and just build them. Hell, if my name actually comes up on the waitlist at some point, I won't know whether to sell it for whatever the market will bear, or put it in a glass case and show it to my grandkids, if I'm ever lucky enough to have them. I got on the list in January 2017 for a hoot ! Looks like I'm getting close
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 11:03:50 GMT -7
I don't blame AnalogMike for not choosing to expand production. The KOT is not his only product. I don't know how many employees he has but at some point, depending on your goals, it is just not worth growing a business any larger. Especially in some states. He also claims his supply of parts is limited. Whatever, lets give him credit for not gouging when he obviously could, as others are. All true--but then you can't complain when the relative scarcity of your product--which you control--pushes up resale prices. I don't care how many he makes, but the idea that somehow people shouldn't sell them for whatever they can get when scarcity is the direct result of his own decision-making seems goofy to me. You can't have it both ways. Well, you can, but it seems pretty silly in this case. Don't like the gouging? Build them. Bill the Klon guy did the same thing for years. It's a loop at a certain point--the scarcity feeds the hype and the hype feeds the scarcity. But there's a solution--and it's a good solution in the sense that you're turning your parts inventory into actual revenue and making your customers happy. And of course if you decide you don't like doing those things you can always scale back again. But hey--it's not my business, and it's not my place to tell anybody how to make a living, as long as it's legal (and even then, sometimes). I'm just trying to figure it out.
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Post by Maddog on Feb 19, 2019 11:52:16 GMT -7
Mike may say he does not like the inflated KOT resale prices, but in reality, he should. The resale price inflation supports demand for new units, and gives him the option of NOT having to take on additional employees (which can certainly be its own can-o-worms). I think he's sitting in the "catbird seat" and knows it....
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Post by Lefty on Feb 19, 2019 12:33:54 GMT -7
Fwiw his wife just died from a long fight with cancer. She was also an employee builder.
It's a pedal, it doesn't cure anything. There are a million other pedals out there that do the same thing. I've had 2 KOTs and one POT. I've also had 2 original Klons. If I knew what I had they'd be in a saftey deposit box for a rainy day.
This obsession with gear just really puts me off.
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Post by premiumplus (Dave) on Feb 19, 2019 13:04:30 GMT -7
Sorry to hear about his wife and cancer, I can sure relate to that. I've only been on the list for a little less than a year, since May of 18. Hopefully I'll still be healthy and kicking when my number comes up!!!
I actually just got on it to see what all the fuss is about. I'll probably buy it, play it, and sell it. We'll see if it ever comes around.
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Post by John on Feb 19, 2019 13:10:19 GMT -7
There are a million other pedals out there that do the same thing.
Yeah...just go buy something else. There's plenty to choose from and I'm sure there will be something else that's in the ball park...if not something so close you couldn't tell the difference.
Too much obsession with pedals...go practice.
More Mel Bay....less Ebay.
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Post by LT on Feb 19, 2019 13:58:48 GMT -7
I own a KOT (and sold a used one I bought many years ago) and I have several POT's. The POT is almost always available and is a great substitute for the KOT. IMO 2 POT's together sound so close it's basically the same, especially live.
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Post by zpilot on Feb 19, 2019 14:26:57 GMT -7
I was on the list once. When my time came up I had something else that was requiring my time and funds. I don't remember what it was but I do remember it was another piece of music gear. It might have been when I bought my MAZ 8. Anyway, I passed on the KOT. I have survived without it.
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Post by nicholas on Feb 19, 2019 14:37:34 GMT -7
Skip it. Move on. It's just a pedal. Eat some carbs. Your getting hangry! Lol. My (probably ill advised) attempt to humor the situation.
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Post by KeithA on Feb 19, 2019 15:42:40 GMT -7
Skip it. Move on. It's just a pedal. Eat some carbs. Your getting hangry! Lol. My (probably ill advised) attempt to humor the situation. Lol....I got on the list a couple years ago because there was a thread somewhere about getting on the list. I don't know much about the pedal or if I'd even want one but it looks like I'm coming up pretty soon. Lol...I think I'll have to buy it, though.
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Post by Dan F"i"fe on Feb 19, 2019 15:43:47 GMT -7
Get on the list and try other pedals while waiting if you choose. When your name comes up buy it or don't that's how things work. Mike's a good guy and like so many others that operate their business based on a vested sense of what may be successful, Don't criticize how he runs his operation as it is unfair to him or any small businessman. IMHO YMMV
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Post by Chilly Gibbons (Todd T.) on Feb 19, 2019 15:54:24 GMT -7
My favorite by far is the Beano. Simple, sounds great, well made, although not cheap. I do love the yellow side of the KoT as well, great boost circuit.
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Post by ineedtherapy (Stuart) on Feb 19, 2019 16:01:49 GMT -7
My favorite by far is the Beano. Simple, sounds great, well made, although not cheap. I do love the yellow side of the KoT as well, great boost circuit. if you haven’t tried the Bad Bob Boost, he’s now making a version with a second knob for gain. I got one a few weeks ago and I hardly use my Sunlion now. I used the Beano Boost side all the time before the Bad Bob.
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Post by Chilly Gibbons (Todd T.) on Feb 19, 2019 16:52:57 GMT -7
My favorite by far is the Beano. Simple, sounds great, well made, although not cheap. I do love the yellow side of the KoT as well, great boost circuit. if you haven’t tried the Bad Bob Boost, he’s now making a version with a second knob for gain. I got one a few weeks ago and I hardly use my Sunlion now. I used the Beano Boost side all the time before the Bad Bob. Does the BadBob use OCXX germanium or silicone?
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Post by KeithA on Feb 19, 2019 17:32:07 GMT -7
Lol...who here has a KoT and if I were to pull the trigger when my email comes in the next couple months, any recommendations on the version?
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Post by bryan0418 on Feb 19, 2019 17:36:57 GMT -7
Lol...who here has a KoT and if I were to pull the trigger when my email comes in the next couple months, any recommendations on the version? I have a KOT. Get the high gain option for both sides. It is nice to have when you need a lil extra. I also did the custom color (white) because I thought it looked cool and different. It is a great pedal.
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Post by ineedtherapy (Stuart) on Feb 19, 2019 17:59:54 GMT -7
Does the BadBob use OCXX germanium or silicone? I think it’s a JFET pedal. It’s an exact copy of an older pedal that another builder use to make. That guy no longer builds and gave the pedal design to Analogmike to use. I may be exposing my ignorance of pedal circuitry, but I don’t think JFET uses germanium or silicon transistors, but I have only about 2% confidence in that statement.
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Post by ineedtherapy (Stuart) on Feb 19, 2019 18:08:22 GMT -7
Lol...who here has a KoT and if I were to pull the trigger when my email comes in the next couple months, any recommendations on the version? I have a KOT. Get the high gain option for both sides. It is nice to have when you need a lil extra. I also did the custom color (white) because I thought it looked cool and different. It is a great pedal. 1000% agree. Analogmike recommends the yellow side as a clean boost, but I think the clean boost sounds best with the high gain option (it’s still clean, but has a little hair). TL;DR version: go high gain both sides and forego the other options unless you need them. They aren’t even options on most true bypass overdrives. Here is how I’d explain the options: - high gain: this is a misnomer. The KOT isn’t a pedal for metal heads. Go high gain both sides for the extra $20. It doesn’t reduce the headroom, just adds the ability to get more gain than stock. - four-jack/two-jack: go with the two-Jack option UNLESS you will want to split the order of the two sides or want to use a pedal looper. - buffer: if you don’t have more than three pedals, don’t get this option. If you have more than three pedals, but have a quality buffer in another pedal that will be after the KOT, then don’t get this option. Only do this if you have a lot of pedals and none of them have a buffer. - external toggle: if you think you’ll want to switch between OD, Boost, and Distortion with any sort of frequency then get this. If you are a set it and forget it person, don’t waste your money. The external toggle just makes it so that you don’t have to take the back plate off to switch modes on the red side only.
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Post by fishbeiner on Feb 19, 2019 18:11:09 GMT -7
Lol...who here has a KoT and if I were to pull the trigger when my email comes in the next couple months, any recommendations on the version? IMO, the standard version with high gain on the red side is typically what most folks get. Other mods are more preference to the persons needs. I know there were some additional color choices at one point. Not sure if they’re still offered. Last one I had was black.
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Post by LT on Feb 19, 2019 19:01:30 GMT -7
I have a KOT. Get the high gain option for both sides. It is nice to have when you need a lil extra. I also did the custom color (white) because I thought it looked cool and different. It is a great pedal. 1000% agree. Analogmike recommends the yellow side as a clean boost, but I think the clean boost sounds best with the high gain option (it’s still clean, but has a little hair). TL;DR version: go high gain both sides and forego the other options unless you need them. They aren’t even options on most true bypass overdrives. Here is how I’d explain the options: - high gain: this is a misnomer. The KOT isn’t a pedal for metal heads. Go high gain both sides for the extra $20. It doesn’t reduce the headroom, just adds the ability to get more gain than stock. - four-jack/two-jack: go with the two-Jack option UNLESS you will want to split the order of the two sides or want to use a pedal looper. - buffer: if you don’t have more than three pedals, don’t get this option. If you have more than three pedals, but have a quality buffer in another pedal that will be after the KOT, then don’t get this option. Only do this if you have a lot of pedals and none of them have a buffer. - external toggle: if you think you’ll want to switch between OD, Boost, and Distortion with any sort of frequency then get this. If you are a set it and forget it person, don’t waste your money. The external toggle just makes it so that you don’t have to take the back plate off to switch modes on the red side only. Totally agree. Get "high gain" on both sides so you can run OD into boost, boost into OD or OD into OD.
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Post by bigben55 on Feb 19, 2019 21:03:38 GMT -7
I got on the list October 18, 2017, so I probably have a year left to wait. I will buy one. Honestly, I dont know if itll kick my Z-Drive off the board. If it does I'll keep it. If it dont, I'll sell it and make $200. Win win.
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Post by mickey on Feb 20, 2019 1:29:43 GMT -7
I have two KOTs, both high gain on the red side. One has been on my board for some years now, and I bought the other used, as a backup. The reason for that is the switches don't last forever, and I've had two go bad on me. I also have an OCD and a Tumnus on my board, (The Tumnus replaced my KTR, I just prefer it). My KOT is my go to drive; I don't have any strong feelings about the way it's marketed, it just works for me.
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Post by KeithA on Feb 20, 2019 5:23:15 GMT -7
Lol...who here has a KoT and if I were to pull the trigger when my email comes in the next couple months, any recommendations on the version? I have a KOT. Get the high gain option for both sides. It is nice to have when you need a lil extra. I also did the custom color (white) because I thought it looked cool and different. It is a great pedal. Thanks. I'll likely just order that combo when my name comes up. I forgot about being on the list, but a new pedal is a new pedal !
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 6:50:55 GMT -7
I have a KOT. Get the high gain option for both sides. It is nice to have when you need a lil extra. I also did the custom color (white) because I thought it looked cool and different. It is a great pedal. Thanks. I'll likely just order that combo when my name comes up. I forgot about being on the list, but a new pedal is a new pedal ! Yeah--I've owned two or three of them. Get as much gain as they'll give you.
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Post by bigben55 on Feb 20, 2019 9:00:40 GMT -7
So, getting high gain on both sides is better than one lower gain, one higher gain? Or do the dip switches give you the ability to change one of the higher gain sides back to lower gain?
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Post by Norrin Radd on Feb 20, 2019 11:14:21 GMT -7
I got on the list December 25, 2016...
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