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Post by swampstomper on Dec 15, 2018 6:08:56 GMT -7
Does anyone know if any impulse responses exist of Dr. Z's custom speakers?
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Post by 2Cents on Dec 17, 2018 1:25:20 GMT -7
Impulse responses eh—what’s that?
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Post by swampstomper on Dec 17, 2018 1:32:52 GMT -7
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Post by swampstomper on Dec 30, 2018 5:19:10 GMT -7
I ended up making these myself. I think they came out pretty good. The impulse responses are of a Dr. Z 2x10 combo guitar cabinet loaded with his custom 10" speakers. I used an SM57 and a Sennheiser e906, six mic positions for each. Anyone that would like to check them out can get them here: www.dropbox.com/sh/9jtwvwco1i5iin9/AADoIwrozJFUWJ49u9upbKHpa?dl=0
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Post by pcns on Jan 1, 2019 9:13:43 GMT -7
Interesting article. I had a long conversation with one of my cousins on Christmas day about IR's. I'd never heard of them before and this article was helpful in understanding what they are all about. thanks for sharing, Todd
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Post by swampstomper on Jan 1, 2019 13:08:21 GMT -7
Interesting article. I had a long conversation with one of my cousins on Christmas day about IR's. I'd never heard of them before and this article was helpful in understanding what they are all about. thanks for sharing, Todd I'm glad you enjoyed the article. It's been an interesting experience making my own IRs. I still have a lot to learn about it. I did a bit of editing on the Z 2x10 IRs I created. New versions are here: www.dropbox.com/sh/274l9ycvxjct5st/AACdjL-0XTpZ3rUjzYDXiT04a?dl=0
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Post by GuitarZ on Jan 1, 2019 16:17:13 GMT -7
I'm definitely sold on the technology. When I plug my Z into my Universal Audio Ox and pop on the headphones, it feels like I'm in the room with my cabinet. UA did a great job and claims they're not straight IRs. The only thing is, it's a closed system, and you cannot add your own IRs. I still think their magic sauce is their room mics.
SwampStomper - I will take you up on downloading your IRs to give them a whirl. Before I bought the Ox, I messed with a few different options. As I was typing the above and thinking I couldn't use them, I remembered I have a few recordings that I can drop the IRs into. Cool! I never heard my tone through a Z speaker.
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Post by swampstomper on Jan 1, 2019 16:32:39 GMT -7
SwampStomper - I will take you up on downloading your IRs to give them a whirl. Before I bought the Ox, I messed with a few different options. As I was typing the above and thinking I couldn't use them, I remembered I have a few recordings that I can drop the IRs into. Cool! I never heard my tone through a Z speaker. I’ve been testing the IRs I made quite a bit today. On the computer with an IR loader they sound really good. I have a Suhr Reactive Load IR which is both a reactive load and an IR loader. For some reason they just don’t sound right using the Suhr box. I know the software limitations of the box, so I’m not sure what is wrong. I’m going to contact Suhr and see if I can figure it out. As far as IR creation goes this is my first rodeo. 😀 Anyway, I hope you enjoy them. Let me know what you think of them!
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Post by GuitarZ on Jan 1, 2019 16:50:30 GMT -7
Hey! SwampStopper - Real nice job! I mixed your E906 CAP with your SM57 CAP EDGE OFF AXIS. They sound good and give the guitar/amp a pretty good presence at least from my perspective. (I did it quick, so if the tone's not great, that's my fault and not fault of the IRs.) It actually has better presence than my original recording using my IsoCab. It's cool being able to mix the different configurations. I didn't EQ anything. Just added a little room reverb. This was a tune off my last EP. The tone of the main rhythm guitar (left channel) and the solo are courtesy of your IRs (and my Ghia i think). It shouldn't be too hard to figure out which guitar since I gave it a little extra volume in this mix. My friend Larry is the other guitar which is non-Z. Push & Shove - Mike Z Band with SwampStopper IR's
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Post by swampstomper on Jan 1, 2019 18:25:02 GMT -7
Hey! SwampStopper - Real nice job! I mixed your E906 CAP with your SM57 CAP EDGE OFF AXIS. They sound good and give the guitar/amp a pretty good presence at least from my perspective. (I did it quick, so if the tone's not great, that's my fault and not fault of the IRs.) It actually has better presence than my original recording using my IsoCab. It's cool being able to mix the different configurations. I didn't EQ anything. Just added a little room reverb. This was a tune off my last EP. The tone of the main rhythm guitar (left channel) and the solo are courtesy of your IRs (and my Ghia i think). It shouldn't be too hard to figure out which guitar since I gave it a little extra volume in this mix. My friend Larry is the other guitar which is non-Z. Push & Shove - Mike Z Band with SwampStopper IR's
Wow, I like it! Guitar tones are righteous, and a cool song as well! How do i get a version without fades?
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Post by GuitarZ on Jan 2, 2019 17:14:54 GMT -7
SwampStomper - Thank you (and I have your forum name right now). I can thank Z for the tone (guitar & speaker). I wasn't sure if you meant the version with your IRs or the official version. Here is the tune minus the final solo. I apparently only did one take for the IRs and just kind of swung and missed on the final solo. Push&Shove with SwampStomper IRs - Fuller VersionAnd, here is the official version. You can also find it on Spotify, AppleMusic, etc under Mike Z Band. Or, just hit this link: Push&Shove - Mike Z Band - Official VersionIf you listen to both, the one thing to keep in mind between the IR version and my official version is that I spent a fair amount of time EQ'ing, mixing, etc on the official version. It's also professionally mastered and overall sounds better and louder vs my quick IR version. But guitar-wise, the IR version sounds pretty good. And, I literally just dropped the IRs in, listened for one or two mic types/positions that might work, did a quick mix, didn't touch an EQ, and uploaded. I've found that messing with the IRs and UA Ox, it's very quick to try different speakers/mics and find something that works. Plus, I'm relying on the experience, skill, resources, and ears of others that is beyond my own resources. Speaker IRs feel more organic to me versus straight digital processing of amps and such. Cool Stuff!
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Post by swampstomper on Jan 2, 2019 18:26:47 GMT -7
SwampStomper - Thank you (and I have your forum name right now). I can thank Z for the tone (guitar & speaker). I wasn't sure if you meant the version with your IRs or the official version. Here is the tune minus the final solo. I apparently only did one take for the IRs and just kind of swung and missed on the final solo. Push&Shove with SwampStomper IRs - Fuller VersionAnd, here is the official version. You can also find it on Spotify, AppleMusic, etc under Mike Z Band. Or, just hit this link: Push&Shove - Mike Z Band - Official VersionIf you listen to both, the one thing to keep in mind between the IR version and my official version is that I spent a fair amount of time EQ'ing, mixing, etc on the official version. It's also professionally mastered and overall sounds better and louder vs my quick IR version. But guitar-wise, the IR version sounds pretty good. And, I literally just dropped the IRs in, listened for one or two mic types/positions that might work, did a quick mix, didn't touch an EQ, and uploaded. I've found that messing with the IRs and UA Ox, it's very quick to try different speakers/mics and find something that works. Plus, I'm relying on the experience, skill, resources, and ears of others that is beyond my own resources. Speaker IRs feel more organic to me versus straight digital processing of amps and such. Cool Stuff! Thanks Guitar Z. I like your guitar tone on this track better in the version with my IRs. Brighter, seems more lively. I got a Keith vibe from it. Telecaster? It's a very cool track, pure rock n roll. From a production standpoint, man I would have liked HUGE background vocals on the chorus!
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Post by swampstomper on Jan 2, 2019 18:44:45 GMT -7
I hear subtle amp noise/buzz on the right channel as the track begins. If I was mixing that track I would have cleaned that up. No offense intended, but that would drive me nuts if I was involved in the production.
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Post by Maddog on Jan 2, 2019 19:07:53 GMT -7
This article is from 2012......This technology has advanced greatly and become more attainable over the last 7 years.....Devices like the following have taken the "work" out of acquiring super quality speaker/cab/amp emulations... Doc has made profiles of many of his amps for the Kemper....Not sure if the UA OX has listed specific speaker Impulse Responses (like "Doc's custom speakers") as I've yet to try one.
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Post by GuitarZ on Jan 2, 2019 20:12:44 GMT -7
I hear subtle amp noise/buzz on the right channel as the track begins. If I was mixing that track I would have cleaned that up. No offense intended, but that would drive me nuts if I was involved in the production. No offense taken. There's a lot of noise and junk in that track. The bass player decided to play tambourine in the verses more to keep us in time versus anything else. The tambourine ended up sounding good even though it was over driving his vocal mic a tad. You can actually hear him dropping the tambourine to grab his bass each time. My drummer wanted to clean that up. Long story short is that I couldn't pull that track together. Then after letting it sit for a while, it started to sound somewhat decent and I decided to keep the rougher vibe to capture that session for better or worse. My wife wanted to add some vocals too. Swinging back to IRs, the UA Ox provides generic descriptions that you can pretty much figure out such as 1x12 GB25 , 1x12 Blu 15, 4x10 B Man, etc. They add a description such as 4x12 GB25 Thick
- This vintage closed-back cabinet with four 12-inch speakers is the sound of rock guitar.... And, UA Ox claims that it's dynamic processing that goes beyond static IRs. It's a closed system where you cannot add your own IRs. It provides 17 cabinets heavy on Celestion including four versions of Greenbacks. Pete Thorn's videos definitely influenced me on getting the Ox. With all that said, I'm still surprised at the quality from SwampStomper who says "I'll try to make my own. Check this out.". I'm guessing you've got some decent equipment and experience to make them work though.
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Post by swampstomper on Jan 2, 2019 20:43:10 GMT -7
I hear subtle amp noise/buzz on the right channel as the track begins. If I was mixing that track I would have cleaned that up. No offense intended, but that would drive me nuts if I was involved in the production. No offense taken. There's a lot of noise and junk in that track. The bass player decided to play tambourine in the verses more to keep us in time versus anything else. The tambourine ended up sounding good even though it was over driving his vocal mic a tad. You can actually hear him dropping the tambourine to grab his bass each time. My drummer wanted to clean that up. Long story short is that I couldn't pull that track together. Then after letting it sit for a while, it started to sound somewhat decent and I decided to keep the rougher vibe to capture that session for better or worse. My wife wanted to add some vocals too. Swinging back to IRs, the UA Ox provides generic descriptions that you can pretty much figure out such as 1x12 GB25 , 1x12 Blu 15, 4x10 B Man, etc. They add a description such as 4x12 GB25 Thick
- This vintage closed-back cabinet with four 12-inch speakers is the sound of rock guitar.... And, UA Ox claims that it's dynamic processing that goes beyond static IRs. It's a closed system where you cannot add your own IRs. It provides 17 cabinets heavy on Celestion including four versions of Greenbacks. Pete Thorn's videos definitely influenced me on getting the Ox. With all that said, I'm still surprised at the quality from SwampStomper who says "I'll try to make my own. Check this out.". I'm guessing you've got some decent equipment and experience to make them work though. My big takeaway from your track is that it sounded like rock and roll, technical issues aside. I really enjoyed listening to it. Somehow it reminds me of the Stones cover of “Just My Imagination” . As far as my IRs go I am by no means an expert or what could be called a qualified audio engineer. I’m a guitar player, sometimes recording engineer, sometimes FOH engineer. I just became fascinated with the IR thing and decided that while my Maz Jr chassis was in Ohio waiting to get upgraded it might be a good time to sample the speaker cabinet.
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Post by bryan0418 on Jan 3, 2019 0:05:29 GMT -7
I have recently entered the world of IR’s with my Kemper. This may help you get an idea how to use IR’s a little differently.
What I do is profile my amps using the Kemper Direct Box and purchase IR’s and use that as my cabinet within my Kemper. There are a lot of good professional IR’s out there. Some of my favorites are from Celestion and the Impulse Guys. The cool thing about purchased IR’s is that the people who create them have pro studios and the know how to properly mic a cabinet. I could never afford multiple vintage mics and I certainly wouldn’t know how to place the mics on the cab. I could guess but that wouldn’t be very good.
For example I profiled my Dr Z Stringray using the direct box (no cabinet) and I purchased a Celestion Blue 2x12 IR that the Impulse Guys made from a 1960’s AC30. It sounds outstanding. I run the IR through the Kemper cabinet maker application and I then have a Kemper cabinet with 2 blues. Works equally as good with my DB4 profiles. Of course I love the Z professional profiles as well. But I like to make my own also.
You really can get lost in messing around with IRs. The thing to remember is that it is just like swapping a speaker cabinet.
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Post by premiumplus (Dave) on Jan 6, 2019 6:40:48 GMT -7
Hey! SwampStopper - Real nice job! I mixed your E906 CAP with your SM57 CAP EDGE OFF AXIS. They sound good and give the guitar/amp a pretty good presence at least from my perspective. (I did it quick, so if the tone's not great, that's my fault and not fault of the IRs.) It actually has better presence than my original recording using my IsoCab. It's cool being able to mix the different configurations. I didn't EQ anything. Just added a little room reverb. This was a tune off my last EP. The tone of the main rhythm guitar (left channel) and the solo are courtesy of your IRs (and my Ghia i think). It shouldn't be too hard to figure out which guitar since I gave it a little extra volume in this mix. My friend Larry is the other guitar which is non-Z. Push & Shove - Mike Z Band with SwampStopper IR's
Hey GZ, real nice tone on the song, and it's a great groove. Cool stuff, keep it up, brother!
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Post by stevegansen on Jun 18, 2019 11:43:13 GMT -7
I have recently entered the world of IR’s with my Kemper. This may help you get an idea how to use IR’s a little differently. What I do is profile my amps using the Kemper Direct Box and purchase IR’s and use that as my cabinet within my Kemper. There are a lot of good professional IR’s out there. Some of my favorites are from Celestion and the Impulse Guys. The cool thing about purchased IR’s is that the people who create them have pro studios and the know how to properly mic a cabinet. I could never afford multiple vintage mics and I certainly wouldn’t know how to place the mics on the cab. I could guess but that wouldn’t be very good. For example I profiled my Dr Z Stringray using the direct box (no cabinet) and I purchased a Celestion Blue 2x12 IR that the Impulse Guys made from a 1960’s AC30. It sounds outstanding. I run the IR through the Kemper cabinet maker application and I then have a Kemper cabinet with 2 blues. Works equally as good with my DB4 profiles. Of course I love the Z professional profiles as well. But I like to make my own also. You really can get lost in messing around with IRs. The thing to remember is that it is just like swapping a speaker cabinet. I know this is from a while back...but are you still happy with the IRs from The Impulse Guys? I can't find a ton of information out there about their stuff. I'm pretty interested in the 65 Cab with the Alnico and G12H30 for use with my Maz 18....
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Post by bryan0418 on Jun 18, 2019 19:06:23 GMT -7
I have recently entered the world of IR’s with my Kemper. This may help you get an idea how to use IR’s a little differently. What I do is profile my amps using the Kemper Direct Box and purchase IR’s and use that as my cabinet within my Kemper. There are a lot of good professional IR’s out there. Some of my favorites are from Celestion and the Impulse Guys. The cool thing about purchased IR’s is that the people who create them have pro studios and the know how to properly mic a cabinet. I could never afford multiple vintage mics and I certainly wouldn’t know how to place the mics on the cab. I could guess but that wouldn’t be very good. For example I profiled my Dr Z Stringray using the direct box (no cabinet) and I purchased a Celestion Blue 2x12 IR that the Impulse Guys made from a 1960’s AC30. It sounds outstanding. I run the IR through the Kemper cabinet maker application and I then have a Kemper cabinet with 2 blues. Works equally as good with my DB4 profiles. Of course I love the Z professional profiles as well. But I like to make my own also. You really can get lost in messing around with IRs. The thing to remember is that it is just like swapping a speaker cabinet. I know this is from a while back...but are you still happy with the IRs from The Impulse Guys? I can't find a ton of information out there about their stuff. I'm pretty interested in the 65 Cab with the Alnico and G12H30 for use with my Maz 18....
I do like the IR’s from the Impulse Guys. There are also good cabinets from MBritt and Tone Junkie. It depends on what speakers you like.
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Post by stevegansen on Jun 18, 2019 20:20:36 GMT -7
Awesome. I'm super happy with the WGS Reaper I have in an Avatar cab. I believe it's their spinoff of a G12H30. Thanks man, I'll check out the others as well!
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