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Post by mudman on Dec 7, 2018 10:37:37 GMT -7
Brought my '73 Princeton Reverb in for some servicing, and got surprised by my tech. He'd like to talk about a trade for his Z Wreck head (plus cash on my side). His Wreck is the Silver Quantum, though the cab is long gone at this point. Looks in good shape, not sure of the age. He works for a Z dealer. Cash price is $2200.
I can't find if that's high, low or normal. There are no sold listings on reverb or ebay. I do know that the local shop had a combo last year for $2100.
I'm also not sure of a price on my Princeton Reverb. They're all over the place. Recent recap, new power cord. Original speaker with a tear repair. In very good condition for its age, but a few scrapes here and there.
What do you think would be a good deal plus cash for the wreck?
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Post by mudman on Dec 7, 2018 10:51:57 GMT -7
Also should add that the Princeton is currently loaded with all OS RCA, GE and Tung Sol 6v6s (it was at the shop to get the amp biased for the 6v6s, they're ANOS).
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Post by Rockerfeller on Dec 7, 2018 13:05:16 GMT -7
I think that is way over into the higher side for a used Wreck. They don't seem to sell fast when they are over $2000. There is a silver Z-Wreck on Reverb that has been sitting there for 12 months at $2250! I have seen them go for less than $2000 here on the Z board and I know Mike sold me his WAY below what your guy is asking. Mine is a black tolex head though and not the cool silver.
Can't help you much on the Princeton.
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Post by mudman on Dec 7, 2018 13:37:43 GMT -7
I think that is way over into the higher side for a used Wreck. They don't seem to sell fast when they are over $2000. There is a silver Z-Wreck on Reverb that has been sitting there for 12 months at $2250! I have seen them go for less than $2000 here on the Z board and I know Mike sold me his WAY below what your guy is asking. Mine is a black tolex head though and not the cool silver. Can't help you much on the Princeton. Thanks for the input. Think $1800ish then?
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Post by Jaguarguy (Mike) on Dec 7, 2018 13:42:35 GMT -7
$1,800 maybe $100 or so high - so if in excellent condition that would be reasonable.
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Post by premiumplus (Dave) on Dec 7, 2018 15:35:52 GMT -7
Agree. Plus, I think it may be hard to get back the investment in NOS tubes in your Princeton. If he sticks at 1800 I'd tell him the Princeton glass goes back to stock if it wouldn't kill the deal. Is he a motivated seller?
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Post by mudman on Dec 7, 2018 16:02:06 GMT -7
Agree. Plus, I think it may be hard to get back the investment in NOS tubes in your Princeton. If he sticks at 1800 I'd tell him the Princeton glass goes back to stock if it wouldn't kill the deal. Is he a motivated seller? He wants my PR enough to offer a payment plan on the wreck
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Post by daddyelmis (Greg) on Dec 7, 2018 16:07:43 GMT -7
This is a bit like trading in your car. You need his complete deal - how much for the Wreck, and how much credit against that for the Princeton. Let him make the offer and you can react - don’t negotiate against yourself.
Ultimately you want a fair deal but it’s hard to price either amp, so a deal you’re happy with is a good deal.
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Post by Rockerfeller on Dec 7, 2018 17:10:55 GMT -7
I would also want to know if the wreck has been modified at all. Because that does impact resale value.
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Post by fishbeiner on Dec 7, 2018 18:48:26 GMT -7
I agree with all of the above. I fairly recently sold my Wreck Head. I didn’t even get any inquiries until I dropped the price to $1,900. Ended up with quite a bit less than that once fees and shipping were factored in. IMO, if someone is thinking about buying a Wreck, $1,700 would be the “buy now” cue.
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Post by mudman on Dec 7, 2018 20:45:58 GMT -7
Thanks Folks. Trying to get him to throw out a number, hoping to hear from him tomorrow.
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Post by mudman on Dec 9, 2018 17:54:10 GMT -7
Well looks like a no go. We were worlds apart in value for the trade when we talked today. He’s pretty firm apparently at that $2200, and didn’t want to go much above $1k on my Princeton.
His Wreck is from 2011, all original tubes, including the output tubes. Not sure how much he’s used it, but I do know he gigs.
Probably for the best, but it was nice to think a wreck might have been in reach. Maybe that combo I saw last year will turn up again at the shop, and I’ll be able to work something out then.
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Post by premiumplus (Dave) on Dec 10, 2018 18:15:42 GMT -7
When the fruit is ripe, it will drop... You'll find one. Patience will pay off big time. Enjoy that lil Princeton in the meantime!
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Post by zlx07 on Apr 1, 2019 19:31:23 GMT -7
While I am looking at a Maz, I also have a chance to buy a used Z-Wreck combo for about $1400. I know I like the Maz for what gain it has and the Master Volume helps, but the Z-Wreck is tempting. I am more and more into Bluesy, Jazzy sounds. I play a Les Paul and doubt I'd go to a strat or single coil anytime soon. At that price can I go wrong or should I stick with a Maz?
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Post by Jaguarguy (Mike) on Apr 1, 2019 19:50:26 GMT -7
While I am looking at a Maz, I also have a chance to buy a used Z-Wreck combo for about $1400. I know I like the Maz for what gain it has and the Master Volume helps, but the Z-Wreck is tempting. I am more and more into Bluesy, Jazzy sounds. I play a Les Paul and doubt I'd go to a strat or single coil anytime soon. At that price can I go wrong or should I stick with a Maz? For $1,400 you can't go wrong. Assuming there were no issues jump on it. The lowest price I've seen for a Z-Wreck head was $1.600.
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Post by zlx07 on Apr 1, 2019 20:03:08 GMT -7
While I am looking at a Maz, I also have a chance to buy a used Z-Wreck combo for about $1400. I know I like the Maz for what gain it has and the Master Volume helps, but the Z-Wreck is tempting. I am more and more into Bluesy, Jazzy sounds. I play a Les Paul and doubt I'd go to a strat or single coil anytime soon. At that price can I go wrong or should I stick with a Maz? For $1,400 you can't go wrong. Assuming there were no issues jump on it. The lowest price I've seen for a Z-Wreck head was $1.600.
Well that's what I am thinking. There are couple of very small tears in the cover. Other than that it is a very clean amp. If what I am hearing from others about the MAZ NR being a better amp than the MAZ with reverb, I might just buy the Z-Wreck and then add a Reverb and possibly a gain pedal of some description. I have never been a pedal guy so to speak, but maybe I need to go this route with the right amp.
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Post by Rockerfeller on Apr 1, 2019 20:24:01 GMT -7
While I am looking at a Maz, I also have a chance to buy a used Z-Wreck combo for about $1400. I know I like the Maz for what gain it has and the Master Volume helps, but the Z-Wreck is tempting. I am more and more into Bluesy, Jazzy sounds. I play a Les Paul and doubt I'd go to a strat or single coil anytime soon. At that price can I go wrong or should I stick with a Maz? For $1,400 you can't go wrong. Assuming there were no issues jump on it. The lowest price I've seen for a Z-Wreck head was $1.600. Hmmm, I wonder where you saw that price?
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Post by Rockerfeller on Apr 1, 2019 20:26:34 GMT -7
For $1,400 you can't go wrong. Assuming there were no issues jump on it. The lowest price I've seen for a Z-Wreck head was $1.600.
Well that's what I am thinking. There are couple of very small tears in the cover. Other than that it is a very clean amp. If what I am hearing from others about the MAZ NR being a better amp than the MAZ with reverb, I might just buy the Z-Wreck and then add a Reverb and possibly a gain pedal of some description. I have never been a pedal guy so to speak, but maybe I need to go this route with the right amp.
I would ask the seller if the amp has been modified in any way. If it hasn't, I would buy it. You certainly will never see one selling at that price ever again. If you didn't like it, you could easily sell it here and recoup your money or better yet use it in trade. A Wreck for $1400? Unbelievable.
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Post by zlx07 on Apr 1, 2019 21:10:56 GMT -7
I want the Wreck... But if I have to play it loud to get everything or at least something out of it in terms of gain... and that seems to be the consensus... it will be the Maz 18 I've been playing... I play at low volumes, never play out. I think the master volume on the Maz is what’s making it work for me but damn I want the Wreck! Maybe I'll have to buy some nice trendy looking ear protection for my wife lol
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Post by LT on Apr 2, 2019 15:25:55 GMT -7
$1400 is an outstanding price for a Wreck head. Buy it and see if you can make it work. It's a ridiculously good amp.
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Post by fishbeiner on Apr 2, 2019 16:27:02 GMT -7
Get the Wreck. For all intents and purposes, the Wreck isn’t going to be THAT much louder than the Maz. And IMO, if we’re talking about a MkI Jr, (and if memory serves me correctly), it needed to be turned up a bit to get a decent grind going without sounding fizzy. Can’t speak for the MkII though. And, at $1,400 all you need is a Brake Lite to get all the Wreck does at reduced volumes. There is also something about the Wreck at lower volumes that still sounds like magic. It’s almost 3D like. Get the Wreck.
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Post by Ridgeback on Apr 2, 2019 16:30:36 GMT -7
Possibly I'm missing something here but buying an amp that you pretty much know up front isn't going to meet your "play 100% at home and want gain" needs just because it's a good deal (and it appears that it is if there are no issues), seems kind of pointless to me. Buying it just to flip it seems like more bother than it's worth for the $200-300 you might net. The sellers' market sucks right now. Too many nice options for home friendly Z amps. Buy what you like and play it instead of writing sale ads. My slightly more than 2 cents. Either way, let us know how it goes. Good luck with your decision.
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Post by fishbeiner on Apr 2, 2019 17:01:50 GMT -7
The above is also good advice.
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Post by zlx07 on Apr 2, 2019 17:04:04 GMT -7
Hi
Your two cents is appreciated. You make solid points. While I am prepared to buy it I won’t know for sure til I try it at the volumes I’d be playing at. The seller is even cautioning me that it may not be for me. That it has to be opened up to appreciate it. However is welcoming me to give it a go with no obligation to buy. If I don’t like it I will move on.
My styles are changing. I like gain. I always have. But it’s more bluesy/jazzy gains these days. Yes, some classic rock is always good too.
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Post by zlx07 on Apr 2, 2019 17:48:14 GMT -7
But seeing I have never posed the question... if I wanted to have one Dr Z amp that would give me nice cleans, some nice bluesy / Jazzy grit to some Marshally mild to medium type gain, that does that exist in one amp or possibly two... or do I grab the one that does one of those things best and add some pedals to complete the picture
Okay I know all the Dr Z amps can do one or a couple of those things very, very, well. But to get it all in one... maybe someone has found that!
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Post by Rockerfeller on Apr 2, 2019 18:08:36 GMT -7
$1400 is an outstanding price for a Wreck head. Buy it and see if you can make it work. It's a ridiculously good amp. It's actually a wreck combo with celestion gold and a brake light. That is a stupid deal. I originally thought it had to be a head at that price but he clarified... it's the combo.
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Post by LT on Apr 2, 2019 18:32:30 GMT -7
$1400 is an outstanding price for a Wreck head. Buy it and see if you can make it work. It's a ridiculously good amp. It's actually a wreck combo with celestion gold and a brake light. That is a stupid deal. I originally thought it had to be a head at that price but he clarified... it's the combo. Oh my! Gotta jump on that for SURE.
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Post by zlx07 on Apr 2, 2019 18:54:36 GMT -7
Sorry, I guess I kind of highjacked the original thread...
Yes, it is a combo... all that glitters. I am really keen to give it a try. I think it will be too loud and maybe not enough gain for me, but I won't know til I try it. I am still liking the Maz 18 NR that I've rented and it is not going back til I know for sure and it still may be the one I buy lol
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Post by premiumplus (Dave) on Apr 2, 2019 19:25:19 GMT -7
That's set up like my Wreck combo, a Gold and a Brake Lite. The Brake Lite works amazingly well in the Wreck. I'd be all over that deal if I were you. If you wait, it's gonna be gone at that price.
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Post by mudman on Apr 2, 2019 19:43:11 GMT -7
Sorry, I guess I kind of highjacked the original thread...
Yes, it is a combo... all that glitters. I am really keen to give it a try. I think it will be too loud and maybe not enough gain for me, but I won't know til I try it. I am still liking the Maz 18 NR that I've rented and it is not going back til I know for sure and it still may be the one I buy lol Good lord man. If you’re anywhere in the northeast and don’t like it, I will drive and trade you my Maz jr nr for the wreck plus $ on my end as long as it works. Killing me over here.
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