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Post by donovantyler on Nov 8, 2018 13:23:00 GMT -7
I got to say that for my situation, even at the brake light setting on four I can't get the amp past 9 without it being kind of too loud for my practice situation. The Red Fang sounds fantastic! I've only had a few chances to turn it up so far. The sensitivity rating on that speaker is 102 decibels . Is there another 10 inch speaker that is less efficient that sounds really really good that I could swap in and bring the volume down, without sacrificing tone?
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Post by Mark (Basement Enthusiast) on Nov 8, 2018 14:55:28 GMT -7
Yes, that Red Fang 10" is a LOUD speaker!
The Celestion G10 Greenback is a fantastic all-around British-voiced speaker and it's far less-efficient than the Red Fang--which would be a good thing in your case. It would be like having a fifth attenuator setting on your amp, at least. But all that aside, I still think it's a great 10" speaker just for its tone alone. The reduced volume intensity is just a bonus.
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Post by pcns on Nov 8, 2018 14:59:40 GMT -7
I second the G10 Greenback. It is much tighter sounding than the 12" Greenbacks we all grew up with. Very nice speaker!
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Post by donovantyler on Nov 8, 2018 19:07:12 GMT -7
So I'm new to this whole speaker technology thing... Thanks first of all! :-) I plugged it into my 1 by 12 celestion creamback 65 cab and it sounded pretty good but it was definitely a little more broken up and less volume, and that's a 97 db sensitivity. The 10-inch Greenback is a 95 so it would even be less loud. Alnico is supposed to be kind of Tweed ish and warm. This would be ceramic but it is also the classic British Rock sound that started it all right lol? The amp will still go loud enough after this? Still bright and chimey enough for nice cleanish blues and what we used to call "soul music"? Thanks guys :-)
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Post by Mark (Basement Enthusiast) on Nov 8, 2018 20:23:22 GMT -7
Donovan,
I think you'd be fine with the rather "quiet" G10 Greenback, even considering your concerns. If you're starting off at a low practice volume with the volume at 9:00 and 4 clicks of attenuation, believe me it can get pretty darned loud with no attenuation and the volume up near 12:00.
As far as AlNiCo vs. ceramic speakers, I've tried a ton and I really don't think there's that much of a noticeable difference. I believe the makeup of the cone & voice-coil construction, etc., to have a far greater influence than just the magnet material alone. But yeah, the 10" Greenback is pretty true to that sound that "started it all," and it also does clean, pop, and blues extremely well, too.
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Post by donovantyler on Nov 8, 2018 21:49:31 GMT -7
They certainly are affordable! My other thought is getting a celestion alnico gold 10 but those Beast or $175 for crying out loud! Thank you for all your help sir!
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Post by donovantyler on Mar 28, 2019 13:22:04 GMT -7
Uncle!!! The alnicon red fang 10 is just too dang loud for my situations. I tried to live with it..really tried..its kinda harsh too. I just so happen to have a 1 by 12 Avatar ported cab with a nice 12 in celestion creamback in it that I use for my super awesome / amazing dr. Z Remedy .. and I connected the mini z amp to it and played it for a few days and I really liked it! The creamback is rated at 97 DB SPL. It was a lot more usable for me and although I still had to attenuate it, I didn't have to put it on the 4th setting until I had the amp cranked over to 2 o clock. With the volume on like 10 o clock I was able to have it only on II attenuation setting and it sounded fantastic :-) Someone somewhere said that the mini z is like the volume knob is your drive control in the attenuator is your volume control and I'm starting to see how correct that is haha! After long deliberations and lots of listening to demos and lots of asking questions to the vendors it came down to the wgs Green Beret 10 or the celestion G10 Greenback (95 db spl). Because some you all with the same volume issue went with the Greenback ( in that sense it's a known recommended quantity for me hehe) .. I ordered the Greenback yesterday! I've never swapped a speaker into a cab before but I have removed and amp head from a combo cabinet before... The speaker should arrive Saturday so I'm hoping to be able to do the swap myself :-) I'll let you Good Fellows know how awesome it all it is! Thanks for your support dudes :-)
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Post by Jaguarguy (Mike) on Mar 28, 2019 14:00:11 GMT -7
Good luck! Most people don't realize how loud those Mini-Zs are!
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Post by donovantyler on Mar 28, 2019 14:08:03 GMT -7
Good luck! Most people don't realize how loud those Mini-Zs are! really .. surprising! I liken the tone of the mini-Z not to a Vox or a Marshall but to a cranked HIWATT.. We were playing Funk 49 the other night and the amp distortion (at 3:00) was much better than the amp with lower volume + my nice OD pedal(s).
what do you think?
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Post by Jaguarguy (Mike) on Mar 28, 2019 14:35:13 GMT -7
Here's BW playing one -
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Post by donovantyler on Mar 28, 2019 18:32:08 GMT -7
..Just so.. badass! That playing and tone is glorious.
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Post by LuckyBlackCat on Mar 29, 2019 8:02:13 GMT -7
Good deal. I have a mini and use both the Greenback and Red Fang for different purposes. The GB sounds great and is perfect if you need to tame volume. The RF is perfect if you need more clean volume.
The swap is easy, just make sure not to over tighten when you install. Here's what I do...
Put the new speaker in and install the screws finger tight with my fingers. Then I use a screwdriver and tighten each screw 1/4 turn in a star pattern (one screw, then the opposite, then do the next two). Then I do that all over again, one more 1/4 turn for each screw (for a total of 1/2 turn each beyond finger tight). That's usually enough for me.
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Post by donovantyler on Mar 30, 2019 20:12:17 GMT -7
Replaced the red fang alnico with the g10 greenback and I am pleased.. Great . warm. Chimney clean tone with very nice top. Overall a more satisfying.and pleasent tone with plenty od headroom still and a better tone for the rock music I'm playing. I can now turn back the attenuator and hear the true sound of the amp and man...its nice! So much more usable for me. I may take it to my low volume , small restaurant gig on Tueaday instead of my Allen Chiquaqua. Allman bros tunes sound so Allman-esq hehe..not harsh. How much can I get for the dr Z alnico red fang? Anyone want?
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Post by donovantyler on Mar 31, 2019 0:50:54 GMT -7
Donovan, I think you'd be fine with the rather "quiet" G10 Greenback, even considering your concerns. If you're starting off at a low practice volume with the volume at 9:00 and 4 clicks of attenuation, believe me it can get pretty darned loud with no attenuation and the volume up near 12:00. As far as AlNiCo vs. ceramic speakers, I've tried a ton and I really don't think there's that much of a noticeable difference. I believe the makeup of the cone & voice-coil construction, etc., to have a far greater influence than just the magnet material alone. But yeah, the 10" Greenback is pretty true to that sound that "started it all," and it also does clean, pop, and blues extremely well, too. Basemententhusiast, you were so right about the g10 greenback..it is perfect!
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Post by donovantyler on Mar 31, 2019 0:53:40 GMT -7
I second the G10 Greenback. It is much tighter sounding than the 12" Greenbacks we all grew up with. Very nice speaker! U were right.. G10 GB is awesome in this amp..exactly what I was looking for! ..who knew? Hehe
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