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Post by 63fenderman on Aug 14, 2018 22:30:16 GMT -7
My band is moving towards a silent stage. I dont have the money for a kemper and dont particularly want to go with a helix or any other modeling device. I have 3 nice amps that sound how I like.
What's the best way to get that sound direct into the board for a live show?
The rivera mini rockrec is the only device I've really looked at. Looking for other opinions.
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Post by juanka78 on Aug 15, 2018 2:06:48 GMT -7
In the last 2 years I’ve tried almost every device on the market for that purpose, including Rivera Rockcrusher Recording and Mini Rockrec: avoid analog cab sim, it simply doesn’t work. The best thing you can do is to buy the 2 Notes Live, skip their IRs and buy some Celestion IRs.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2018 4:15:33 GMT -7
Universal Audio Ox. Not cheap but superlative sound.
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Post by Rockerfeller on Aug 15, 2018 4:59:48 GMT -7
Hey 63, have you considered using an isolation box for your amp? That is one more thing to haul around but it would solve the issue.
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Post by John on Aug 15, 2018 5:29:12 GMT -7
Universal Audio Ox. Not cheap but superlative sound.
I looked at this on Musician's Fiend. I absolutely LOVE how they labeled the back panel. Not only is everything labeled clearly....but they have a secondary label...upside down!!! Knowing there are going to be a lot of people who have this sitting on an amp/case/table, and they're going to tilt it towards them so they can read the back panel. And when they do, there will be the labels...right side up to them. So simple yet ingenious!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2018 9:24:51 GMT -7
Lots of amps now with direct outs that can be used for recording without the need for an iso cab or some kind of modeling device. Take a look at the Friedman Runt series, maybe. Pretty reasonably priced, too.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2018 9:28:04 GMT -7
If you want to go cheaper yet, I'd look into something like the Boss Katana series. Not bad for digital, and you can't beat the price.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2018 9:32:24 GMT -7
You could get a Suhr Reactive load and then a speaker sim (Suhr ACE?) of some sort. I record like this and it's pretty fantastic. Can also vouch for the Celestion IRs.
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Post by daddyelmis (Greg) on Aug 15, 2018 9:42:26 GMT -7
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Post by GuitarZ on Aug 15, 2018 13:36:33 GMT -7
I'm with Roscoe and John. If you have the dollars, the UA Ox is great. I picked one up (demo model deal ). The guys I jam with are all headphones. Their comment to me last week was "Mike - It's your sound just mic'd really well.". The room mics really provide some life to your sound.
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Post by Christopher on Aug 15, 2018 15:40:13 GMT -7
The JDX 48 from radial would allow you to use your amp but goes between amp and speaker for a DI of amp voice before speaker brings signal back to life. This allows you to use your amp at a lower level without peeling paint but maintaining your normal tones without miking. www.radialeng.com/product_category/amp-di/
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Post by shiner51 on Aug 16, 2018 8:53:41 GMT -7
My band is moving towards a silent stage. I dont have the money for a kemper and dont particularly want to go with a helix or any other modeling device. I have 3 nice amps that sound how I like. What's the best way to get that sound direct into the board for a live show? The rivera mini rockrec is the only device I've really looked at. Looking for other opinions. I know some Behringer gear has a bad reputation , but a guy in my band and myself have used the Ultra G DI box with great success for going from the amp directly to a mixing board. It takes your powered signal and attenuates it with two different attenuators and then somehow returns it to a speaker output jack to return to your amp's speaker. Im not sure how it is done, but I know it works and has never damaged an amp or speaker, and it sounds great through the mixer because it has a speaker emulator built in. We did a recording using the Ultra G and then an SM-57 and the UltraG recording sounded better to us. It wont silence your amp but its a good way to line out if your amp doesn't have a dedicated output for it.
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Post by 63fenderman on Aug 16, 2018 9:56:37 GMT -7
I believe I'm going to order the Weber mass 100 and pair it with a Mooer Radar.
I havent had any experience with Mooer pedals but, the radar seems like a pretty solid IR/Cab sim that's really expandable.
The Weber Mass seems to have everything I need. I can use it direct live or in a studio as well as just an attenuater. Wish there was some way I could try one out. For $230 though, I suppose it's worth the gamble.
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Post by bryan0418 on Aug 16, 2018 16:29:34 GMT -7
You could get a Suhr Reactive load and then a speaker sim (Suhr ACE?) of some sort. I record like this and it's pretty fantastic. Can also vouch for the Celestion IRs. Another vote for the Celestion IR’s. Another IR company that I like better then Celestion is the Impulse Guys. They have a website. They record the speaker IR’s with a bunch of vintage gear and they sound fantastic. I have some for my Kemper and they are my new “go to” cabinets.
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Post by daddyelmis (Greg) on Aug 16, 2018 17:05:40 GMT -7
I believe I'm going to order the Weber mass 100 and pair it with a Mooer Radar. I havent had any experience with Mooer pedals but, the radar seems like a pretty solid IR/Cab sim that's really expandable. The Weber Mass seems to have everything I need. I can use it direct live or in a studio as well as just an attenuater. Wish there was some way I could try one out. For $230 though, I suppose it's worth the gamble. I’ve used several versions of Weber mass units over the years with zero problems. They do exactly what they say and I’ve used them to run straight to the board and to have a mic’d and DI signal mixed at the board. You’ll like the mass.
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Post by ss "Shane" on Aug 18, 2018 19:53:55 GMT -7
My band is moving towards a silent stage. I dont have the money for a kemper and dont particularly want to go with a helix or any other modeling device. I have 3 nice amps that sound how I like. What's the best way to get that sound direct into the board for a live show? The rivera mini rockrec is the only device I've really looked at. Looking for other opinions. I’m having to deal with the “silent stage” thing as a drummer in one group I play with. All I can say is that I’m glad I don’t have to play guitar with these guys because to me nothing beats my Z amps with a mic. If I did play guitar with this group I’d spend whatever it took to get my Z’s heard in their natural state, so I’d pay close attention to replies regarding this issue. The guitar player is going direct into the system with tons of pedals. “Silent stage”...what’s the world coming to?
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Post by twangsta on Apr 27, 2019 21:48:00 GMT -7
It's a great time for using big tube amps with few worries about SPL.
Three products stand out from reputable companies.
1. Two Note Torpedo Captor - A reactive load, load box, with optional -20db attenuation and speaker simulated out. Speaker optional for silent operation. Reasonable priced. 2. Two Note Torpedo Cab M - Can sit between the amp and cab, or end of your preamp, or pedal board, or in the amp loop. Power amp simulation, IR Loader (high-quality speaker simulation), high-quality reverb and EQ. Reasonably priced.
These two devices will cover needs almost all scenarios.
The third device is $1200 and is probably the most interesting development to happen to tube amplifiers in decades. Priced similarly to the OX Box, this boss devices renders the OX box out featured and outclassed by quite some distance.
The Boss Waaza Tube Amp Expander is a one-stop solution for everything you could imagine. Too many features to list, better to watch a full demo. I'm so sold on this product, I think it might even boost sales of big iron amps all over again.
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