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Post by BruZe62 on Aug 14, 2018 6:13:22 GMT -7
Hey guys,
So I love my 2006 Maz 18 (all original, no updated mods...yet) and the wonderful edge of breakup tone I can get with all my different pickup guitars. Whoever posted the .pdf of all the different settings/tones etc thank you, I use it as a reference point sometimes.
I would like to hear, however, some of you real world gigging players who can dial in a LOUD & CRYSTAL CLEAN tone for powerful humbuckers (as well as single coils if you want)
Where are your settings. "Sometimes" I want to rely on "ONLY" on my pedals for my dirt, compression, boosts etc without having to switch to a Twin Reverb for instance. I love to stack OD's but I need a real loud clean tone so as not to over compress. I use a barely noticeable always on Deep Six comp. btw) I know I can get real loud and clean with any guitar with this Maz 18, I just have not found the setting yet I guess. I would like to see what you got for settings other than that .pdf that is posted out there somewhere. Thanks
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Post by easyed on Aug 14, 2018 11:51:31 GMT -7
I don't have a "recipe" for setting the amp for loud cleans; but less gain (volume) and more master should be your target.
I recommend setting volume, master, and cut to get the breakup you want with the guitar volume max'd - then back down the guitar volume to clean it up.
Welcome to the forum!
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Post by "Z" Steve on Aug 14, 2018 11:57:39 GMT -7
2 options to try to get more cleans would be try a 5751 in V1 - it has around 1/4 the gain of a 12ax7. You can also get a more efficient speaker that won't break up as quickly as possibly the one you are using. Keep us updated on your findings.
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Post by Stephen on Aug 14, 2018 12:04:16 GMT -7
I don't have a "recipe" for setting the amp for loud cleans; but less gain (volume) and more master should be your target. I recommend setting volume, master, and cut to get the breakup you want with the guitar volume max'd - then back down the guitar volume to clean it up. Welcome to the forum! + 1000
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Post by BruZe62 on Aug 14, 2018 13:58:15 GMT -7
I was going to try Dr Z's Blackface setting? Max the master, bass and treble zero the mids for that "scooped" Fender? Anyone try that? Yeah, I mic the amp so yes I can max the master then bring up the volume to maybe 7:30 or 8. I think I may have to cut the mid and max the bass and treble also? I dont know. I will try a bit and get back with results. Thanks alot guys!
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Post by digs57 on Aug 14, 2018 15:04:49 GMT -7
I was going to try Dr Z's Blackface setting? Max the master, bass and treble zero the mids for that "scooped" Fender? Anyone try that? Yeah, I mic the amp so yes I can max the master then bring up the volume to maybe 7:30 or 8. I think I may have to cut the mid and max the bass and treble also? I dont know. I will try a bit and get back with results. Thanks alot guys! Your hitting something that ive tried and sounded great with my strats...
Treb 10-11
mids- 9-9:30 ish
bass 11- 1:30 ish
cut 9-10....gives nice big tone...master adjusted how it works best for you!
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Post by John on Aug 15, 2018 3:22:00 GMT -7
Here is the setting:
MAZ 38
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But seriously, I think putting the 5751 in V1 is your best bet. And using a really efficient speaker. A gold or a V30.
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Post by mickey on Aug 15, 2018 23:49:21 GMT -7
Here is the setting: MAZ 38 -------------------- But seriously, I think putting the 5751 in V1 is your best bet. And using a really efficient speaker. A gold or a V30. My thinking exactly.
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Post by brendanp on Aug 16, 2018 0:55:52 GMT -7
Hey, BruZe62
Can you tell us what your stage setup is like? That might help us to respond. If you're using a mic to go to the PA, I'd be very surprised if the Maz 18 wasn't loud enough, even if you maxed the master and left the volume fairly tame. Also, my experience with the Maz 18 is that, yes, it can break up pretty early with powerful pickups, but then you have to be thoughtful in the setup of your signal chain - with my overdrive pedals, I tend to use volume boosts (the pedals add their EQ character too, for flavours) from my drive pedals more than heaps of gain added from each one, which keeps me more present in the mix. Also, check that your signal chain doesn't feature one pedal with tons of gain overwhelming the one that comes after it. Compression can add up quickly, so as pedals are included in the chain the risk of not being heard clearly does go up. My Les Pauls (P-90s and humbuckers) do get the Maz driving, but I still find my amp (2009 NR combo) to have lots of lovely clean tone on tap at very useable (band) volume.
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Post by BruZe62 on Aug 16, 2018 5:42:11 GMT -7
I think you have an answer for me here BrendanP! I have been thinking that FOR A WHILE NOW... even if I am running the gains real low, high output pickups are pushing the pedals WHICH ARE pushing the amp more into saturation RIGHT? (I dont have a clean tone issue with this setup with my strat OR SINGLE COILS for instance, but when I switch to a HB'er guitar maybe it'S too much?) You may be right! What I think is happening is I am "over" gaining which may be leading to too much push on the amp giving too much compression? Here is my effects chain and you can take a look...Gretsch G6128T Players Duo Jet (High Sensitive Filtertrons) in to Sonic Research ST300 tuner, to Deep Six compressor (I run COMP always on and dialed WAY back just to give my cleans some punch) > Jackson Audio Prism > (for EQ shaping) Koko boost (both usually always on) > JHS Superbolt > TS808 or similat TS type for final stage if needed > BB sonic stomp > pog > MXR EQ > Volume pedal >Timeline > Big Sky out to Maz 18 (mic'ed in an ISO booth (4' x 4'). I usually have a boost somewhere late in the chain like my Wampler dB plus... Thanks man...
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Post by brendanp on Aug 16, 2018 5:49:48 GMT -7
Thanks for setting that out - yes, I'd say there are a few culprits in there that could each be raising you further above unity gain (and not just the ODs) progressively until your amp has no choice but to drive at low volume. I know it can be a painstaking game of chess to work out the proper placement and levels of all the pedals you have there, but my feeling is that's way more likely to provide you with the cleans you want, rather than any amp tone settings (and only you play with your particular equipment, so it's not always useful to take recommendations on what a good EQ setting would be from anyone else, as far as I'm concerned).
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Post by BruZe62 on Aug 16, 2018 6:11:43 GMT -7
Here is the setting: MAZ 38 -------------------- But seriously, I think putting the 5751 in V1 is your best bet. And using a really efficient speaker. A gold or a V30. My thinking exactly. I have a Vintage 30 I could use from a AC30 I sold. And I have a 5751 preamp tube. Easy change out I will try it. What about a blue would that be almost like a gold? Thanks
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Post by mickey on Aug 17, 2018 0:00:22 GMT -7
I used a Gold for a few years with my 38, and it would certainly do chimey loud cleans with that amp. I never tried it with the 18, but it's an efficient speaker so it might help. I don't think you'll get loud cleans with a Blue though, with the 18. Others may disagree....
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Post by captainron (Ron) on Aug 22, 2018 10:21:20 GMT -7
+1 for the use of a GOLD! I've never tried a 5751 in V1, I'm sure that would make a difference, but I use pedals for dirt and get a great clean sound with MAZ 18 head with my Gold 1x12 Z cab.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2018 7:08:00 GMT -7
Here is the setting: MAZ 38 -------------------- But seriously, I think putting the 5751 in V1 is your best bet. And using a really efficient speaker. A gold or a V30. Just putting the Celestion Gold in my Maz made ALL THE DIFFERENCE!!! I love the clean tones and have a little more of that Fender type chime back with this speaker. Glad I spent the money!
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Post by mikefleming on Aug 24, 2018 9:32:35 GMT -7
What's your speaker setup? A 212 will get you a lot farther than a 1x12. Or a really efficient 12 will get you farther than say a greenback.
Aside from those changes though, I'm not sure you'll be able to unlock a ton of extra headroom. I tried for a long time and only achieved a minimal increase in true clean loudness.
One thing that was counterintuitive - I never put the master past halfway, or it would get dirtier. This was different than the usual MV setup where you would run the master wide open. I usually got my max clean headroom with the main volume at 9 o clock and the master around noon. Mine was pre-PI though, so if you have the new master volume yours might be different.
Finally, my best solution was one already mentioned - I swapped for a Maz 38. Bam, Maz tone with louder fuller cleans.
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